anti-cop, and no one can point to anything that s ever been said that was anti-cop. there are issues that have been discussed. my hope is that everybody can come around the table and discuss those issues while agreeing upon them so we can agree that what happened is beyond anything that anybody in their reasonable mind can say would happen. we should also agree that there are very real issues that we have to discuss and do it in a way that makes sense and civil and helps us move forward. harry, i know you want to chime in, but we re going to take a break for a moment here. our panel is going to stay right here. we re going to show you the live pictures now of the vigil that is taking place. you can see the crowds that have shown up now on the streets. and this is right in the area where those officers were killed.
let s talk about this. joining me, michael daly, jumaane williams, gil alba and michael. you were there. what was it like? i m afraid it sounds like we re losing michael s signal. so we will go back to him as soon as we get that reestablished just to get his insights. jumaane, let me ask you this. we already talked about the divide that was clearly evident between the mayor and the police department before the shootings. now you ve had the shootings. has it gotten even worse? or is this an opportunity to call a truce? i think this is an opportunity to say let s sit down and discuss, but i i keep hearing each statement of rhetoric going higher and higher as opposed to going lower and lower, and that s something that s also frustrating to me. to say the mayor has blood on his hands, to say he s anti-cop,
and etched in their minds that this happened to them. you know, they go through all these emotions. one is, of course, shock, when it first happens, then, you know, anger which you can see pat lynch, you know, come out with that. there s a lot of emotions and hopefully it calms down. and would you agree that the emotions here need to ratchet back? well, one, the emotions are understandable, as was mentioned, one was a husband and a father. other one was a newlywed. the police officers. i can understand every police officer having this etched in their mind. i think all of us have sympathy for that. all of us need to fully understand that. what i m also hoping is that we can ratchet back some of the ways we are talking about things. there are real issues people are trying to discuss that have some legitimacy. you mean the rhetoric or protests? what needs to be ratcheted back? i keep hearing the mayor, anti-cop, and other people,
conferences two weeks ago, three weeks ago when he was supporting the protesters he had a very different character, demeanor. today, it s you know, he s reading i don t know. to me, i don t know. i m taking this a little personal right now. you know, when one nypd cop gets hurt or bleeds they all bleed. and you know, maybe i m looking at this a little slanted. i don t believe him. i don t believe he feels the way he says. if he did, he would have been there for the cops last week and the week before and the week before that. everything about this mayor has been anti-cop, whether it s talking to his son about how to bi-racial son how to react with police or saying two police lieutenants who were assaulted were allegedly assaulted and basically throwing the police under the bus, pat lynch, president of the pba coming out
conferences two weeks ago, three weeks ago when he was supporting the protesters he had a very different character, demeanor. today, it s you know, he s reading i don t know. to me, i don t know. i m taking this a little personal right now. you know, when one nypd cop gets hurt or bleeds they all bleed. and you know, maybe i m looking at this a little slanted. i don t believe him. i don t believe he feels the way he says. if he did, he would have been there for the cops last week and the week before and the week before that. everything about this mayor has been anti-cop, whether it s talking to his son about how to bi-racial son how to react with police or saying two police lieutenants who were assaulted were allegedly assaulted and basically throwing the police under the bus, pat lynch,