in our election where hillary clinton did not motivate some of the same voters, but with macron and le pen you have this framed as precisely as you could. the runoff may 7 still a couple weeks away. these two candidates here, one considered a centrist and the other considered more pro nationalist. with a le pen win potential until that runoff, what do you see the potential ramifications for europe to be? a le pen win would be an earthquake for europe. until now i think there s been a lot of assumption that while marine le pen is a very strong voice for kind of a far right anti-establishment anti-immigrant wing of the french populous, she was not a majority candidate, she was not someone who would be able to assemble enough votes across the spectrum in france. but what you saw was donald trump running against hillary clinton, theresa may writing very much the strong kind of
substantial part and a substantial voice for this sort of anti-globalist, anti-eu, anti-big business sentiment in france. that could shape the way not just macron would rule if he was president but also the legislative elections that are very important for dictating policy in france. you ve seen a similar thing in the uk where prime minister theresa may was pretty she was actually against brexit, but she kept herself out of the referendum, but she was thought to be against brexit but she s had to go for a hard brexit which means cutting off immigration, pulling the u kurks out of the single market. she s reacting to the prevailing political conditions in the uk and the rise of populist feelings and anti-european feelings. that s a way in which you can see how even when populists don t win, they can shape the policies of those that do win.