a 15-week ban is is an idea whose time has come. is in the hands of the people, and that s where it should. be but when you re talking about a federal ban, be honest with the american people. no republican president could ban abortions anymore than a democrat president can ban all those state laws. tim, anthony, and molly are back with me, and joining the conversation is former republican congressman from florida david jolly. so, david, you ve actually been a candidate forms with ron desantis. i have. he is the candidate who was leading in the polls by a fair amount over the other candidates on the stage. what did you think of his performance? and was anything about it surprising to you? no, nothing surprising. after a year on the debate stage with him, easy we are due. that s the bottom line. he s just a weird guy. and america saw that tonight. i don t know if he hurt himself tonight, but he also didn t help himself, right. that s kind of hurting himself, if he didn t help
ben given the number of times that you guys have already said vivek s name, this is help vivek. and you said this very strange situation when trump isn t on the stage, where no one is mentioning him in some way, that s totally random guy who s wandered into the frame here stands in for him. he certainly says, he tells voters what they want to hear, about whether it s climate change, or pardoning the former president, and we re nobody wants to talk about or mention or take their frustrations out on trump, they should go after him. which is helpful to him. what struck me a little bit here is that, you know, when they all went after vivek, they ignored desantis. right. you work for presidential primary candidate. what was your take away, anthony? so, here s where i start. at the end of the day, the candidates, the candidates started the night sailing against the wind, right. and at the end of the day, they re still sailing against the wind. donald trump is still on track. th
and he deserves, not grudging credit, he deserves our thanks as americans for putting his oath of office and the constitution of the united states before personal, political, and unfair pressure. and the argument that we need to have in this party, before we can move on to the issues that ron talked about, as we have to dispense with the person who said that we need to suspend the constitution to put forward his political career. mike pence said no, and he deserves credit for it. joining me now is basically the group of people i would want to be on a text chain with on a night like this. you would want to be too. luckily, i get to be with them instead. tim miller is the former communications director from george w. bush s campaign and a writer at the bulwark. anthony cooley department of justice. molly jong-fast and ben smith is the editor in chief at
disqualifying. it s crazy, anthony, if you agree with jeh that it s critically important that they call what donald trump did by its name, an insurrection, instead of going for the easier charges that may be easier to get a conviction on? the guy was part of a con spoirsy to commit sedition against the united states government. a lot of people are in yale because of that. one important thing to note here is that we only know as a public a fraction of we only have a fraction of the information that the doj has and let s remember last july this time none of us even knew that there was a whole documents investigation, there s a lot here that we don t know. i d like to zoom out for a second, the most troubling thing i have seen in recent weeks is