canned goods can be up to a year, some harvard studies i ve seen, and as we know i think there s been a joke out there of how long twinkies can last. john: that s true, slightly longer than cockroaches. what the usda says best before dates, if the date passes during home storage, the product should be safe and wholesome if handled properly until the time spoilage is evident. to reduce food waste, the dates applied to food are for quality and not for safety. ron, it s a really interesting business model you have there, clearly people are finding it s a necessity these days. we wish you anthem well, as you go about trying to work together to make sure everybody puts food on the table. thanks for joining us. well, thank you very much, appreciate it. john: sandra. sandra: larry kudlow now, on just that. larry, a grocery store owner dealing with inflation that is