his recommended flynn serve no prison time due to what they called substantial assistance. it is impossible to know what flynn has disclosed, but the special counsel s office called it valuable firsthand information in the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. flynn is one of seven people who pleaded guilty in that investigation. and we ll learn more about another one of them, paul manafort on friday in a new court filing from the special is expected to shed more some more light on what the former trump campaign manager did to breach his plea agreement. lots to talk about. anne milligram is here, josh campbell and steve hall. steve joins us have i yas skype. thank you all for joining us here. anne, i m going to start with you. when you look at the special council s filing on michael flynn, is collusion still on the table despite everything behave heard from this white house? absolutely. look, we ve been hearing for
a phony issue the e-mail issue was about hillary clinton. they knew it was bogus because they did the same thing and they obviously don t think it was a big deal. it just was a bogus issue about hillary clinton. and you know, i think they are acknowledging in a way that it s bogus for them too. what do you think the house oversight committee under democratic leadership might do with this issue? it s very possible they would call her in to testify or call others in to testify. i think to jeff s point he s right. i m sure people do she s not the only one to do it. but at the end of the day one of the questions i have is why did it go on for so long? september 2017 s a while. if it were february, the month after the inauguration, okay. but for eight months is it eight? eight, nine months. it s a lot. jeffrey toobin, anne milligram, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. may not be the last time we have this discussion. next the white house backs down in its cl
battle with the administration as we have seen. and people around the country, they re worried about this. is the fbi going to look bad? are there reasons that it would look bad? but it s a rather extraordinary moment, and it s a risky thing for a president, too. normally presidents don t, you know, tick off the people who have subpoena power and are able to find out secrets. that s kind of a dangerous thing as a politician to do. most presidents haven t. so we re at an extraordinary moment where this president is at war with the law enforcement apparatus of this country. ken delainian, anne milligram, peter baker, much obliged. thank you, all three of you for starting our broadcast off as we said a consequential friday night. still ahead for us a colleague of robert mueller to look at this tumultuous week and ongoing russia investigation. speaking of which, is the president really considering moving mueller s boss out of the
or whether just to be able to say i figured it out. i know what happened. anne, explain obstruction here in this context. what would obstruction be? is this what it looks like, the attempt by the president to keep on a guy he knew had lied, perhaps lied to the fbi as well as the vice president? the question we re asking is whether or not there was obstruction here. the court questions are what did the president know, when did he know hem:00 and what actions did he take to prevent that investigation from going forward or to prevent relevant information going to the investigators like the fbi and the department of justice. i think that goes back to when flynn was first interviewed the fbi. he was a member of the administration at that time. mueller want to know what did flynn say when he was interviewed at that time. did the president have any conversations with him before that interview took place with the fbi. of course, after sally yates spoke to the white house, the question woul
flynn. we ve known since june that president trump is under investigation, possibly for attempts to obstruct justice. this is the latest sign that mueller is pursuing every lead in that area. i m joined right now by the author of that report, julia ainsley of nbc news. matt apuzzo is a report were the new york times and an msnbc political analyst. and anne milligram is the former attorney general of new jersey. thank you all. let me go with julia. just lay it out. the possibilities here are fraught. it seems to me the question at large here in our faces, did the president attempt to cover up the fact that he knew that his guy, his national security guy michael flynn had lied about his conversations with the russians about sanctions? yes, chris, that is the question, of course, that robert mueller is zeroing in on. it may be that mueller already has a lot of information from flynn. we know he is a cooperating witness on what went on during