understands that there needs to be aggressive action from the white house to respond to this. the president appears out of step with many when it comes to this issue. david? kelly, thank you very much. ankkelly o donnell at the white house for us in washington. last october, the accused florida congressman frederica wilson about bragging for credit for an fbi building. john kelly found himself in hot water a little more than a week later when he called robert e. lee, an honorable man and suggested a lack of compromise caused the u.s. civil war. just this week he angered many immigrant rights supporters when he suggested some young immigrants were too lazy and too afraid to sign up for daca. with me now, los angeles times columnist and host of the slate podcast, virginia hefernan. let me start with you.