it comes after cnn learned that he was threatened with being ousted by threat got started. joining us now, tim neftali and white house correspondent and associate editor for politico. anita cue mar. tim, start with mulvaney and the drama around this latest acting white house chief of staff. do you think his job is safe given wher in an impeachment inquiry and he could become a star witness? well, president trump doesn t like to admit mistakes. if he were to fire mulvaney right now, apparently he was on his way out before the impeach. inquiry started. if he were to fire him now, this would raise all kinds of questions, more questions about the quid pro, mulvaney s admission that there would been a quid pro quo. you don t need one for the
ken and mike have been following this story from the beginning. and also with me, barbara mcquaid, former attorney and msnbc contributor and anita cue mar, the white house correspondent and associate editor at plolitico. welcome, but let s begin with ken and mike. ken, what information are we learning? we re awaiting the autopsy results from the medical examiner s and the latest wording that we get is it could happen any moment now. that s right. and when we see those results, presumably, we ll see a ruling on cause of death and manner of death and if manner of death is suicide, that will be consistent with what we, nbc news, is hear ing from multiple law enforcement officials who say epstein hanged hymn. beyond that though, there are a lot of open questions. for example no one has been able to tell us how he accomplished that. what did he use to commit this act? there are other questions swirl ing around whether he was properly monitored in the special housing unit inside this
daily beast is preporting he is prepared to sign his stormy daniels cover up checks. joined by democratic congressman of washington who sits on the house intelligence committee. he ll be hearing behind closed doors from cohen this week. michael steel is the former chairman of the nrc and anita cue mar and assocative editor at politico. congressman, let me start with you. the public phase. the public leg of michael cohen s tour of washington takes place tomorrow. as we say it starts at 10:00 a.m. how will what you hear tomorrow from him at this open public hearing effect your approach to him behind closed doors? i guess that depends to some degree on what he actually says.
they won t vote. they re total obstructionists. they don t want to vote. nancy pelosi, chuck schumer. they want to use the issue, i like the issue for election too. our issue is strong borders, no crime. their issue is, open borders, let ms-13 wall over our country. that s what s going to happen. so, anita, that was said just moments ago. the president has falsely claimed throughout this very debate the fault of democrats in this debate back and forth on progress and of eliminating the separation of families on the border which we will go there very shortly on this very program but, anita, as the president here points again at the democrats, is he underlining something that maybe folks aren t talking enough about? even if he is wrong, if you re critical of what he s done so far, losing for him on this topic is still better in terms of it being a win for him compared to what the democrats faced on this. it s interesting that you say that because the democrats, as
nobody in his administration really knows how to implement the executive order so he s still got the same problems going forward that he ll have to deal with. jordan, that is the tone you are hearing coming out of this white house on what has been reported by our own correspondents here at nbc that the chaos level is quite high, the uncertainty is quite high. something that anita was just saying. what are you feeling coming out of the white house? well, i think it s confusion and frustration, richard. throughout the course of this week a lot of us are trying to figure out what exactly was going on with this policy, how were they going to treat these children in detention now that the executive order was signed. how were the children going to be reunited with their parents. administration officials by and large didn t have clear answers to that and that s been very frustrating to a lot of folks who were against the zero tolerance policy to begin with. they were cautioning the presid