capital began when they have to rally got underway in poland central train station demonstrators then made their way to the brandenburg gate where they were greeted by thousands of counter-demonstrators all of them determined to mark the progress of the. heavy police presence kept the two sides apart. ok let s get the latest from our correspondents on the ground now our political correspondent thomas sparrow monitoring the fifty s demonstration ibrahim she s been keeping an eye on the counter demonstrations for starting with you thomas the rally is over i believe what was its central message today. its central message christopher was that they want a different type of germany that they re not that they do not necessarily agree with the way things have developed they do not necessarily agree with anglo merkel they do not necessarily agree with government s policies when it comes to
of president of type there to once a k party with thank you very much for joining us this evening with your view we appreciate it. here in germany the center left social democrats have launched a crucial inter internal vote on whether to enter a second coalition with angela merkel s conservative members of the party have a little over a week to cast their ballots and the deal is deeply divided the as pretty as rank and file and it s battle that has pitted the party establishment against its future leaders in some cases the divisions run through family. father and son one for the grand coalition the other against at this s.p.d. event in northern germany there s only one question on everyone s minds should the party risk another coalition with anglo merkel s conservatives it s up to party members to decide including fabby and stake now the critical young socialist and
event in northern germany there s only one question on everyone s minds should the party risk another coalition with anglo merkel s conservatives it s up to party members to decide including five b.n. stake now the critical young socialist and his father the veteran s.p.d. man and takes the lead with the party rush take now. i believe the majority of members will say yes if we convince them so we need to use the time i ll try to do my part even for his son and most of the party s younger members it s far from a done deal they want change. that s going to do that we need to be more proactive in forward looking string quartets are ok but we need some heavy metal too and a political keyboard. at home with his statements of course there s plenty of talk about politics the prospect of governing with angela merkel for another four years has triggered
this is another area where they have to find common ground the same applies for example to family reunification a very contentious issue in other words where the refugees that are already here in germany can bring their relatives to the country that s something that conservatives are not very happy about that something where the greens for example would say well we would certainly think that is a possibility so you can just see how difficult this issue of migration is and migration is only one of the issues that we re talking about here so it could be january before we see the formation of a new government is this period of domestic political limbo like this a week and chancellor merkel s leadership in europe. i don t think so phil because obviously germany is looking inward for the same time germany still has a functioning government a functioning government that is still dealing with some of the international issues we just saw anglo merkel for example or breaks in there and that s o
example varian sister party of angela merkel s c.d.u. the c.s.u. they have also very different policies when compared to the to the greens for example i ll just mention one that we ve discussed on many occasions here that upper limit for refugees that the c s u once and that any many other parties including are going to do you have have rejected so certainly there will be very very difficult negotiations but the way that anglo merkel will try and approach them is by at least trying to listen to them first she will very probably have to agree on some of the proposals by the other parties if these negotiations are to be successful thomas there is speculation that with the far right f.t. now in the bundestag and also pressure from angela merkel s c.s.u. sister party in bavaria that she s going to have to push for a more conservative agenda on questions like immigration and asylum what would that look like well that could also also be the case but if we look at the german opposition and yo