and then shoved me down on the floor. reporter: tom dvock was a construction manager for the church. he was only 12 years old when he joined. he left in 2005 because he said he could no longer accept miscavige s violence. they actually questioned and i couldn t tell you what the question is today. i don t remember. but the next thing i knew, i m being smacked in the face and knocked down on the ground in front of all these people. this is the pope, you know, knocking me down to the ground. reporter: amy scovy, a scientologist for 27 years, helped run the celebrity center in los angeles, designed to cater to the needs of famous members like tom cruz and john travolta, she left in 2005, but she said she distinctly remembers him choking mike rinder. he grabbed mike around the neck, swings around and he s choking him and he s holding his neck. and mike grabbed me on the side of his chair, struggling, like,