civilians in this fight. they re allies in this fight. there s all sorts of issues as we know in terms of how things could have been better, mistakes were made. there s no denies the fact that for 20 years they stood up against radical islamic movement for their own self-interests but also for the security of the american people and our nato allies. for some reason, he hasn t been able to embrace that. he made a flippant statement in 1975 dealing with the south vietnamese. he said we have no obligation to evacuate one or 100,000 south vietnamese. it s a terrible statement. his predecessors evacuated over 100,000 of them. martha: is he reading the polls? is he assessing this number from the a.p. poll today? 2/3s of americans say afghanistan war was not worth fighting. maybe he s just looking at that and saying let s get out, everybody will forget about this