relief. so trump is the only person in the world who can really give it to them. also this whole idea about inspections. previous deals with north korea failed because we could not verify their promises. for instance, the 1994 agreed framework was really great in a sense but the north koreans violated it the moment the ink was dry. when we look at all this it s a question of inspections. it s the same. both iran and north korea. you can t trust them but you can inspect them. sandra: defense secretary mattis talking about how he is optimistic heading into these talks. now i think there is a lot of reasons for optimism that the negotiations will be fruitful and we ll see. sandra: we will see. we certainly will. this is a question not of kim. we know kim is a villain. the real question is whether president trump will use the elements of american power to disarm north korea. we can certainly do that with force. but we can also do it without the use of force.