this, but the good news is, we have had a lot of success through the years in getting american citizen detainees, regardless of what their motivation out of north korea and assuming he wants to come out, the first thing to do is to make contact with him and to find out how he s doing and what he wants to do. neil: that s very well said, general. you re the first one i ve talked to on this who is just stepping back and saying, he s an american first, let s get him back and we can deal with all of this other stuff later. general, always good catching up with you. thank you. great talking to you, neil. neil: general jack keane on all of that. meanwhile, lionel messi and oscar de la hoya. i want you to think about that because we connect them after this. homeowners, need to lower your monthly expenses and get cash? here s a great way to do it. the newday 100 va cash out loan. at newday, our veterans on average pay off $44,000 of high rate debt,