question on obama-related litigation. he will do what the code and ethics of a supreme court justice require. she recused herself on quite a few issues. we ll leave it there. great to be on the show. appreciate it. as we suggested earlier, there was a sense at the national cathedral with the loss of john mccain came a loss of a certain civility in politics. president obama made that point. so much of our politics, our public life, our public discourse can seem small and mean and petty. trafficking in bombast and insult and phoney controversies and manufactured outrage. it is a politics that pretends to be brave and tough but, in fact, is born of fear. joining me now on the other side of the aisle, democratic
we went from a very negative speech to a very positive speech. everything is fine. america doesn t need to be made great again. the truth is john mccain s america, the america that was represented at the national cathedral yesterday doesn t need to be made great again because it is doing fine. the contrast is with trump and who trump represents. for them america is not doing fine. they like the more negative message. i m glad you brought it up. kimberly, there was part of me that felt is this scene in the national cathedral going to be seen as like the last gathering before they come with pitchforks. i think before you ask, it will be both to some extent. it is important to remember as far as we are talking about bipartisanism, a bygone era, remember that the fights between john mccain and barack obama
mccain s strength and character, that he was willing to stand up and take on bullies. so i think that is how you saw it come up, but it was really a part of the arc of his life in fighting for those that needed someone to fight for them. some of us viewed this week as almost a memorial service for another era of politics. i talked to other senators, to jeff flake in particular who said, no, no, it should be a call to arms, to sort of bring the center of american politics back or bring the idea of compromise back. let s be realistic. both parties right now punish you if you either side works too closely with the other. how do you get that back? i think you get it back by listening to john mccain s words, that you have to be fighting for a cause greater than yourself, and you see that from time to time in the senate, especially when big things happen. we have to do it again. do you really see it though? i do. i mean i work with senator mccain on bringing down the cost of pharma
and then there was number two. america does not boast because she has no need to. the america of john mccain has no need to be made great again because america was always great. president trump was not invited. he spent part of the funeral tweeting, then left the white house during the funeral by motorcade en route to his virginia club to play golf. when he turned in, henry kissinger was speaking in case you wonder. later in the day as cable tv played meghan s america was always great remark over and over, tweet repeated by president trump, make america great again. good to have you back. good to be here. you said senator mccain was your mentor, he put his arm around you when you were elected. very early on. and he nominated you to
senator amy klobashire from minnesota. thanks, chuck. what did you take away from yesterday and did you see it as a rebuke of president trump? i saw it as a story of john mccain, his grieving family, a grieving nation, people he had run against, people who defeated them, he invited them in. i think it is no surprise that the subject of the administration came up obliquely from time to time, but i think that george bush actually said it best, to explain it. he said that john mccain s life was defined in part by the fact that he detested the abups of power, whether it was people who poisoned political opponents or put reporters in jail or, yes, people who would take on immigrants in a way he thought was inappropriate like the president has done, or people who would go after fbi agents or p.o.w.s like himself. so, yes, it was part of john