the default option of this administration is to kill all prisoners. take no prisoners. the drones. the drones. how could it be more ethical to kill people rather than capture them? i never understood that one. reporter: in october last year three americans including the first american on the cia s kill or capture list, anwar al-alaki was killed by drone strikes in yemen. jon: he makes an interesting point. what is the response that interview? reporter: in a statement, aclu saying quote, no policy in the last decade brought more shame on america like bush he s administration s embrace of torture. jose rodriguez attempts to justify the brutal abuse of prisoners while ignoring its illegality and its immorality and damage it has done to our national security. after the obama administration came into office they banned permanent use of eits or enhanced interrogation techniques. jon: argument goes on.