normal course of secretarial business. let me ask you another question. i thought that was a reasonable answer. you said under oath today you had a meeting with ambassador kis of under an hour. that s pretty long. was it 50 minutes. i doubt it s 50 minutes but it may have been. 45 or 50 minutes? 45 minutes. did you discuss anything? there s not campaign related. yes, we did talk about ukraine. we actually had the argument about the ukraine because a day before the ukraine ambassador was in my office making his case against russia and i raised those issues with mr. kiz, as i referred to it, as the classic we did nothing wrong. i m glad you are animated with your memory now. let me ask you two separate questions because in a sense you answered it. did you have communications with