you to my guests. ruby wax, who needs little introduction actor, comedian, writer, mental health campaigner and clive tulloh, who worked with ruby as her producer for many years, including on some of those interviews that she did with the likes of donald trump and imelda marcos. i wonder what it s like for both of you to be reunited via zoom. well, usually, i touch clive a lot. there s a lot of interaction between our limbs. luckily, he s burnt. his face is like a beet, so i m very turned off. clive, she s not in the same room as you, so what was ruby like to work with? erm. laughter she was. talk, clive. she was. she was always exciting to work with, and it was always thrilling. it was thrilling to work with her, and it s been even more thrilling to reunite after 20 years. yeah. well, you re both very welcome. layla smith is head of objective media group, part of the tv giant all3media