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Voice as a representative of shiites around the region. It was the United States saying the iranians have a legitimate say in how we act with the shiites in our country. In effect, and i think lee actually wrote this in one of his columns, this was a death sentence to nimr baqir alnimr. The only way our voice with the saudis about the way they treat the shiite is going to have any resonance is if they believe we are building a regional order in which they are larger security concerns are going to be addressed and their fear of an expanding iran is going to be addressed. If they believe we are going to help roll back iranian militias, then we might be able to have a fruitful conversation with them about whats going on inside their country. But under the current context, it is impossible. Host thank you, mike. One of the things i want to come back to that you brought up, which will play on a point i wanted to come back to with ali is about revolution and the state and if it is possible f

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