Taylor. The news was first reported by the Washington Post which reports that sondlands language in the text was relayed to him directly by trump in a phone call, according to a person familiar with his testimony. For the Washington Post, he also plans to testify that he has no knowledge of whether the president was telling him the truth. That at that moment, its only true that the president said it, not that it was the truth. Well, joining me now to discuss, david corn, msnbc political analyst and coauthor of russian roulette. Cynthia oxney and paul butler, both former federal prosecutors and legal analysts. David . Well your thoughts . This is a classic case of someone jumping off the ship before he believes the ship goes down because hes out there saying the president told me something. I dont know if it was true, and it makes it look like theres a conspiracy and im kind of didnt really know what was going on. Theres a lot of what he says that can be contradicted by facts. Hes still
kurdish allies. so now we re looking at and trump is saying that isis is defeated is just poppycock. isis has metastasized. it s in sudan, nigeria, eritrea and it s turning into an al qaeda-like outfit which is very dangerous. they have a global capability. they can strike anywhere. yes, we and the iranians and syrian main forces defeated the caliphate but we haven t even captured ali akbar baghdadi, the osama bin laden of isis. trump is dealing in a dream world of his own political making. it helps to have some experience in the world and with foreign policy if you ll be president. and we re seeing that now. colonel lawrence wilkerson, always great to talk with you. and coming up the chief law enforcement officer of the united states is ripping down the wall between church and state because, of course. that s next. urclean,