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because they would turn off a large segment of the electorate. and i think that s going to be the true measure and test of our transformation is a democracy, when again, what reid was saying his support of politics of realism about the electorate is shaped when somebody again who is not quite and, who is not perceived as speaking as if he were not a black person could win an election. host: did you believe that a woman would be a lack did before an african-american? guest: you know, it seemed as if senator clinton was definitely poised. and when we think about women and from the country, they are definitely ready for them. so in a way seemed as if that would happen before an african-american, especially because before barack obama arrived on the scene, if we looked at the landscape of black elected leaders, the political leaders, it didn t seem as if anyone was imminent, had imminent possibility of becoming president. host: we re just about out of time. but i want to sa
what is that s been very important, and positive but at the same time i would also argue that those images promote aspects of a kind of racial backlash that we ve seen against this president, too and we think about the mind of movement and the birth of movements and this notion that the president is not a citizen and some other criticisms. h like hitler guest: guess, were talking about criticism that crosses the line from just legitimate public policy differences into the basis racial stereotypes and racist caricatures. host: what s next for you after this worked quite guest: well, i m working on a biography of stokely carmichael. and so that s what i m doing. host: that s pretty compelling. your students, what do they make of this. guest: well, i think they re fascinated by it. was very interested is now the college student to teacher at eight team to 22. many of them are born in the 90 s at this point. this is way after civil rights act, the voting rights act,