the hands of jeffrey epstein. all of it sounded like they had gotten in a room together and talked about it and, of course, they didn t. which means that it was truthful and so i think that was really striking and what that that s what really convinced the jurors here. and, alan, what do you make of the jury not finding maxwell guilty on count two enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts? did that surprise you? because she was found guilty on all these other five counts. why not that one? right. and i think with a lot of juries, there is horse trading where someone might think look we will find her guilty on this count if you find her not guilty on that count but i don t think that s what happened here. i think they were very careful to look at the law and i think they just felt when they looked at the law, look what happened after reviewing it, that the prosecution didn t prove their burden on on that count of enticing. and look. this was a lot of evidence by
moved the six women and six men on the jury, we are joined by jury consultant alan turkheimer. also with us, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jennifer rogers. jennifer, let me start with you. you called this quote a good day for justice. um, tell us why? well, jim, you know, this was a long, hard road for these victims. and until today, no one has gone to prison for this. you know, there was a ridiculous slap on the wrist down in florida for jeffrey epstein a number of years ago but he died by suicide in prison, so he will never be held responsible for this. so, for these women, girls at the time, who came forward under oath, spoke in court with one of their abusers ghislaine maxwell right in front of them. the jury believed them. they credited their testimony. and so, today, having learned that and having learned that ghislaine maxwell will go to prison for some still-undetermined number of years, i have to think it s a good day for them and a good day for all of
to, that going after these accusers is risky. and i think it backfired. i think questioning the memory and the motivation really hurt the defense and i am not sure that was such a good strategy. and then, lastly, and i am sure this was talked about, while maxwell certainly has a right constitutional right not to testify i think some of the jurors were probably wondering well if she is really innocent, why doesn t she get up and tell the world about it? yeah. all right. well, jennifer, alan, thanks so much for your time. appreciate those insights. fascinating case, we will see what happens next. thank so much for your time. up next. why russia s vladimir putin asked for a phone call with president biden and whether they ll talk about the military buildup along the border with ukraine.
trying to separate her from jeffrey epstein. to try and unwind her connection and put some distance between the two of them. but clearly, jim, the jury felt that she was not an innocent bystander in all of this. that she wasn t a bit player but in in fact a key player in the abuse of these girls, jim. absolutely. randi kaye, thank you for that. for more now on what might have moved the six women and six men on the jury, we are joined by jury consultant alan turkheimer. also with us, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jennifer rogers. jennifer, let me start with you. you called this quote a good day for justice. um, tell us why? well, jim, you know, this was a long, hard road for these victims. and until today, no one has gone to prison for this. you know, there was a ridiculous slap on the wrist down in florida for jeffrey epstein a number of years ago but he died by suicide in prison, so he will never be held responsible for this. so, for these women, girls at the tim
cooperation, no question about it. and, alan, this jury deliberated for 40 hours over six days. they sent a number of notes to the judge asking to examine testimony. um, i i think the defense was perhaps optimistic that that was moving things in their favor. what does all of that tell you? certainly, this was a meticulous jury and i think each and every member wanted to get it right. and so, they essentially re-created what they felt were the significant and key moments of the trial, and so they went over it. they talked about it. look. memories aren t perfect, and so when jurors start to deliberate, sometimes they have disagreements about what was said or what was done. and so, i think what they wanted to do was make sure they got it right. they wanted testimony. they wanted all different pieces