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that can be countered by missiles, the patriot missiles? one system i understand is damage. so the americans need to get more leopards in there quickly. this can be more air war, in there quickly. this can be more airwar, more ground in there quickly. this can be more air war, more ground fighting with armoured vehicles. this is going to be more heavy duty warfare. on top of it, lots and lots of propaganda. who are we to believe? of it, lots and lots of propaganda. who are we to believe? thank you for takin: us who are we to believe? thank you for taking us through who are we to believe? thank you for taking us through all who are we to believe? thank you for taking us through all of who are we to believe? thank you for taking us through all of that who are we to believe? thank you for taking us through all of that in - taking us through all of that in joining us on the program. that is indeed why the bbc has not verified team to go through the strands of both the footage, the
blessed bbc probably doesn t know what s going on. do i? know because i m not privy to secrets. the war has really started. the phoney drone he wore, if you want to call it that has ended. there will be some real fighting now. it will take weeks before we realise who s winning. they will be a mixture of defense, trench warfare and there will be new things. i think there will be a real air war this things. i think there will be a real airwarthis time. if things. i think there will be a real air war this time. if you got armoured warfare, you ve got taste, you need some attempts at air supremacy or air control. that s going to happen so there will be a lot of surprises. it s going to be weeks probably before we realise if the ukrainian counteroffensive is finally working. the ukrainian counteroffensive is finall workinu. , , finally working. many points. let me t and no finally working. many points. let me try and go through finally working. many points. let me try and go through some
ukrainian air force? well, fighter ets were ukrainian air force? well, fighter jets were flown ukrainian air force? well, fighter jets were flown up ukrainian air force? well, fighter jets were flown up a ukrainian air force? well, fighter jets were flown up a couple - ukrainian air force? well, fighter jets were flown up a couple of. ukrainian air force? well, fighter. jets were flown up a couple of weeks ago. there was an attack on the base. some were covered. but i think three orfour were base. some were covered. but i think three or four were destroyed and one survive. there s still a lot of the aircraft lab. the ukrainians haven t had the f 16s, they would be much use anyway. we think some of the other aircraft from the czech republic and some of the former soviet allies has sent more modern planes but no f 16s. we re told that the leopards are in, talking about modern equipment. we re told. i dodo. the air war could be crucial. in the ukrainians are very, very overmatched
that front is probably close to 500 miles. number two, the russians have no idea where the punch is going to land when the summer part of this offensive begins. i kind of liken it to d-day. think back to the germans trying to defense all along the coast of france. they don t know where the hammer blow on the 6th of june, by the way, nice historical echo there, is going to come from the ukrainians. look for a pretty effective ukrainian counteroffensive. but here s the bad news, there is a second war going on. it s the air war. here, putin is on the front foot. he is launching multiple cruise missile attacks, manned aircraft flying over. the ukrainians don t yet have complete control of the air space over their country. it s a tale of two wars, jonathan. i think you ve got a ground war which is going to go pretty well for the ukrainians. you have an air war, not going
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