chance that this could succeed. they knew that this was sort of like, you know, their last chance to try to delay things, at least buy time for trump and his legal team as they were trying to persuade obviously some of these states to somehow throw out their election results and keep the former president in power, even though he had lost the election. all right, evan perez, thank you very much. and now let s go to the former counsel to house democrats during trump s first impeachment trial. let s just start with the breaking news here that kash patel is set to testify in the mar-a-lago documents case. he has received immunity. so i want to truly to understand the significance of this as best we can because you ve worked with clients on getting immunity. so the fact that he cited his right to self-incrimination to not testify before the grand jury before and they decided to give him immunity. what does that mean that they know he has to give up?
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to proceed with this case. there is no getting around the fact, particularly when you add to that the idea iran and china documents that were very dangerous were in-depth piled or classified information. david, trump aide kash patel publicly claim that trump at the cost by the records before leaving office, but the new york times reports that patel refused to answer many questions this month before a grand jury in washington. hearing evidence about trump standing at the documents, citing his fifth amendment right against self incrimination. are those two ideas in congruent? if you so believe that he did the classified documents, why would you be afraid to say that in front of a grand jury and not think that you potentially be self incriminating yourself? ayman, i think your instinct is right. there s probably more to it. at the very least, he s afraid of other collateral damage. trump is the type of person