on the forefront of the struggle of the fight against natalie you putin and his regime personally. and to share the same risks and same challenges faced by russians back home. it is not that he decided to return, it was not a choice. hejust refused decided to return, it was not a choice. he just refused to never leave his country, his home indefinitely. it was his choice to be there, to continue. choice to be there, to continue. ., , ., continue. you must have discussed continue. you must have discussed this continue. you must have discussed this at - continue. you must have discussed this at great i continue. you must have - discussed this at great length. you have three children living with you in the united states, he was in the us before deciding to return last spring. both of you each other when you made the decision to go back, to play a role again in russia was not did you buy acknowledge that almost certainly, given the experience of navalny and others, he would end up in
those specific people implicated in gross human rights violations, but they also send a message of solidarity with those who oppose the regime by saying, by showing that the democratic community, the global democratic community, does not equate the regime in russia with the entire russian people. right. and i believe that it is also, that would be an extremely powerful instrument to encourage protests in russia, by showing solidarity with those who do protest. butjust to be clear, then your message is that you believe ukraine must win this war, russia must be crippled by international sanctions, and then what? putin must be removed from power. but, but given that everything we ve said about the, the weakness, if you like, of russian civil society, what do you believe would happen if all of that came to pass? surely the likelihood is that what comes next in russia might be even worse.