interested in governing? that it s more about disruption, it s more about chaos. we look at those 19 members, people who, especially, like matt gates, and i spent a lot of time covering for our show, the circus and it s clear that it is all about performance, it s all about getting on television. and i ve never had any sense from him or others of that caucus that they want to govern. they had no interest in making things better. they want this to be a disaster for the next two years for president biden. and going to van jones s point, the democrats, who are usually seen as this organized, look at the transition of power from the party that did not have the or a majority, a complete smooth transition from an older generation, to a new generation of leadership. and republicans, who have all the just in the list of people, you put that graphic back up, of those who voted against mccarthy. it s now 20. and some of those people
they ve also had years and years of pelosi, who never let a vote go to the floor until they knew they had the votes. it s that s also about the other side of the aisle. making sure you are not wasting anyone s time with parliamentary procedure when you should know better. what is the rest of the republican leadership doing right now? are they effectively helping mccarthy with his ego? how is this going to actually lead to something that is a governable caucus, the challenge being, these insurgents in the republican party are not interested in governing. they come from a tradition that is antiestablishment, burn the house down. and that is what they are doing to their own party. by the way, congressman referring to is the taliban 20. that s the phrasing. that s not going to help change any minds. yeah. i just think for democrats, the calculation is twofold. on the one hand, the golden rule in politics is, when the other side is messing up, just get out of the way. a boeh
it turns out, having trump is no longer enough. trump is not enough. because there is a movement beyond trump now that does not look like even donald trump, let alone kevin mccarthy. meanwhile, hakeem jeffries has been able to unite the dam we ve got radicals, we ve got moderates. but the democrats are cohesive, they are strong. and the republican party is falling apart, as kevin mccarthy mark how, do you see it? is it the goat rodeo? i will tell, you it s a new phrase for me. how do you see it? the actual circus is coordinated function of an action but to van s point, really strikes me as since the election, mccarthy has had and they really known for more than a year likely to take the house. and so it really confirms the point that van made, which is that, at the end of the, day it leads you to believe that maybe republicans are not really
and it s sad to see him talking today about how he has the support there in no form president is not come out or help rescue him. and many the people he try to appease along the time of trump s presidency are also turning on him. it s a lesson of history, that applies to world war, and it applies to politics as well. appeasement does not work. but he is also saying people want a leader. they want somebody who will bring them forward, and going back and forth, not being able to develop consensus over the years, to have somebody else of the party as the leader, has been a problem for ken mccarthy all along. mark, can you give away the keys to the castle and still have the respect to be viewed as a leader? you need to be able to govern with some degree of fear for people to fall in line with an authority. i think nancy pelosi managed to do it with a very slim democratic majority these last couple of years. mccarthy is in a different
is that since 2016, since the ascension of trump and maga element of the party, mccarthy and other republican leaders across the country, even in state parties, has really tried to placate the folks that sort of represent the house freedom caucus element. and placating them actually giving them agency leverage what direction the party wants to go and so a lot of that he s reaping what he sowed. many of these republicans are reaping what they sowed. and i hope to have an energized caucus, and energize faction within the feels empowered, and they are not going to be dictated to buy leadership. and that same point, he needs their votes to become speaker. and they don t feel the need to play ball with him and they feel empowered to do what they want to do. so, it s really slingshot back on.