just down the road from us. and it s a small community. couple thousand people probably live in santa fe. the county probably a few more. a small town. i m sure everybody knows everybody in that community. it will be doubly sad, it s not an impersonal thing, it will be very, very personal. harris: personal for all of us in america. when i heard that child, leila butler tell me they had to figure out how to get to highway 6 to cross the highway running to get away from the school, it s personal. i ve been shot at, i was at the baseball field when we were shot at. first you have to figure out where s it coming from, who s shooting, is there one shooter or more. you aren t sure even if the beginning what side of the building or tree to get on. so it is a harrowing thing. for kids more so, because they have an experience they haven t experienced as many things. harris: as a cometor, you hear as a doctor, you hear from sources and police, the
melissa: harris: you hear from people it s going to be this way. for some reason they fear there s going to be untrained people in the schools with guns. there s just a lot of unnecessary. nothing to fear but fear itself as roosevelt said. we need to take the action necessary and that action is get cops in our schools as a first step. harris: metal detectors, bulletproof glass? some of the schools have these things. yes, but not all of them. what s the downside? i ask people against this, what is the down side to have trained officers in the school, to confront an individual and engage them strategically. harris: steve rogers, thank you, i know your expertise is terrorism. i had the coverage a.g. pass ton, are we in the place to call these domestic terror. thank you. harris: ted williams, former d.c. police detective, one thing i love about talking with ted
unnecessary, because we, whether elected officials or society in general, have failed to respond the way we should respond. that is protect, use every means necessary to protect our students. harris: this speaks to what you re saying, earlier in the program i spoke with congressman roger williams. who was part of that congressional baseball practice, and was shot during that. and he says his life is forever changed. one of the things he says he s going on do next week is push the bill. he reached out to secretary of, education secretary, to talk about how you spend that $63 billion that s sitting there now with education. and he says you have got to protect the targets. what is step one? step one. harris: you got the money. step one, people should be flooding their state legislatures in particular the state as well as congress, with demands to bring police officers into school. there s not going to be a wild west in the schools. i was cop for 38 years. i went to schools every d
done in certain parts of our country right now, and it just needs to be done a little bit more obviously. harris: when you hear, and we had on former detective ted williams earlier, he said that unconfirmed, we don t know exactly what the other hardware was. but he was convinced was not surprised at all to learn there would have been something other than a shotgun. your thoughts? not surprised either. this was a well-planned approach. this is something harris: what tells you it was well planned? just the fact that he was able to walk in, that he had the shotgun, this is something that somebody just doesn t do spur of the moment. when we looked back on the school shootings we have had in the past they were all pretty much planned. as the police went through the computers and cell phones, started to take up notes and learn more about the individual, talk to family members, they realized that this was something that was in the back of their mind. there was something wrong no one
defend our children, and make sure they re safe. and then how do we try to prevent this from happening by finding some one that unstable and making threats how do we separate them from guns. not all the rest of us, how do we separate crazy people from guns. harris: as a doctor you treat the whole patient no matter what your line is, you know you re treating somebody who physically is having a situation. but what i hear you saying, in society, medical pro figure always, you re also looking at the things we don t see. why do you think it s so hard for us to deal with this mental situation? why is that so stigmatized? my daughter false and breaks her arm, i m saying get to the hospital. it doesn t take a psychiatrist to figure this out or a trained professional. in parkland, every kid was going i bet you it was so and so. harris: i had asked the young girl even if you think you know who it was don t mention a name. parkland they found out