pleading the fifth. and here s committee member representative zoe loughman on a friday on msnbc, talking specifically about former acting a.g. jeffrey clark s testimony. when you plead the fifth, you are saying, i could be prosecuted for what i was asked to talk about. now the way to sanitize that is to give him immunity, which means the testimony given to the committee could not be used by the department of justice. if they find it through some other means, fine, they could use it. and, we are not even thinking about that. you know, there are a number of steps that had to be gotten through to do that, my question is, will be get useful information? what does she mean by we are thinking about that, and how do they get useful information if people keep pleading the fifth? well first, i could tell you this. getting immunity is a huge mistake. and albert north was let off because of the manner which used immunity.