in iraq and our engagement in afghanistan. there s really interesting chart we have from the u.s. department of veterans affairs. and you look at the traumas experienced by the iraq veterans there in the dark blue, the afghanistan veterans in the light blue. iraq veterans much more broadly saw dead bodies, were shot at, were attacked or ambushed. you are an iraq war veteran. that experience seems very, very different from what folks in afghanistan saw. and even if you were not in combat, being exposed to those things, you know, i think it could be very probable cause for some kind of depression or anxiety or stress. no doubt, alex. and mostly because especially in iraq and, you know, again i was in baghdad, it s an urban setting, and you re leading these convoys through the middle of the city. there are people most times with what looks like hostile intent. and so it was an incredible