so he can t defend himself. in the eyes of the law he is also dead. i m not judge and jury. you struggle with it. i struggle with it. i keep coming back to this line, you know, man or woman in the mirror. we ve all got to come to this from where we are. for myself personally, my evolution, my heightened conscience in the ten years since the death of michael jackson is to look at him for more than just this tremendous figure who has contributed so much art to this world. trey, you know, kieran is not the only one who is conflicted. michael jackson fans are conflicted about this. they loved him as a child star. he became an adult pop icon. a lot of troubling issue. serious allegations against him. can we separate the man from the art? i mean, i think people can. i think it comes down to a personal choice, right? right. i echo a lot of kierna s sentiments. for me i think this is about the idea that you have to grapple with his whole story as a human being.