done, mike atherton sitting there, not knowing whether to laugh or cry or look ashamed. in a sense he never looked entirely comfortable in that kind of role. looked entirely comfortable in that kind of role- kind of role. that is true, it was ma be a kind of role. that is true, it was maybe a generational kind of role. that is true, it was maybe a generational thing, - kind of role. that is true, it was maybe a generational thing, he | kind of role. that is true, it was - maybe a generational thing, he was a lot older and add a tin, who was very young when he was england captain, mike atherton. there was the distance between them, he hung atherton out to dry pretty much, although he himself was not ideally behaving well in that instance when he was caught out by tv cameras. the problem that ray illingworth had as coach especially was that he tried to impact on the captain to much, and when things did it go well, blamed them. didn t go well. i remember atherton talking bout tha