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MSNBC The Saturday Show with Jonathan Capehart June 4, 2024 13:24:00

goal very likely is moscow. he is still saying he s after the leadership of the ministry of defense, but what we re seeing from putin on down, essentially every major player in the russian elite has come out at this point and expressed loyalty to vladimir putin, vladimir putin is calling this an insurrection. it s very interesting, however, he did not name prigozhin or wagner directly, but it kind of gives you a sense of how unprepared, i, think the kremlin was for this. there s going to be a lot of questions moving forward in moscow, about how this was allowed to happen, this is kind of the product of a long simmering fight between prigozhin and defense minister, sergei shoigu, that is really erupted in a sort of dramatic, unprecedented way. i think it s safe to say this is one of the most, if not the most, significant developments in russian domestic politics in the last 20 years. we ve never seen anything like it. president putin has never faced

MSNBC The Saturday Show with Jonathan Capehart June 4, 2024 13:05:00

military, but what about the loyalty or the support of the russian people? have we started to see signs that because of this internal site and this internal battle between putin and prigozhin, is there a possibility or a chance that the russian people will take his side, and also aid in his efforts to, whatever he s trying to accomplish right now in russia, prigozhin, i mean? well, that s a great question. as you know, we ve seen with the authorities in russia have ruled with an iron fist. any defense amongst the russian people against the war in ukraine has been crushed with an iron fist you weren t even allowed to call it a war. special military operation. so, this may allow for people to be more vocal in their criticism of the kremlin, of vladimir putin, and the chaos

MSNBC The Saturday Show with Jonathan Capehart June 4, 2024 13:18:15

MSNBC The Saturday Show with Jonathan Capehart June 4, 2024 13:18:15
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MSNBC The Saturday Show with Jonathan Capehart June 4, 2024 13:06:00

in the country right now. and it s going to be very hard to control sentiment amongst ordinary russians, that may have not supported the war or are feeling the pinch of the war in their back pocket and not being able to travel, and whatever abscess they have been warned that they are not able to access, so this may be an opportunity for the russian people at large to stand up against putin, if they have any grapes, but again, it s very early to say. a time will come, i m sure, in the hold mechanics of what will happen right now. and we have to see how this unfolds in the coming days and hours. but it certainly a window of opportunity for dissent against vladimir putin, but let s not kid ourselves here. prigozhin is no white knight in shining armor. this is a man who has hired mercenaries from prisons to pound russian cities. so, we re not looking at some great alternative, if that was

MSNBC The Saturday Show with Jonathan Capehart June 4, 2024 13:08:00

his focus and his force on the russian military, it s a real threat to president putin. and let s talk a little bit more about the russian military. i apologize if i m overly obsessed about this, but if putin has to hire mercenaries, the faulkner group, to fight this war, what does that say about the russian troops when he hired them and what does it say about russian troops now in terms of helping putin with his war on ukraine, but also, their loyalty in terms of prigozhin s move from rostov potentially to moscow? jonathan, you re exactly right. you re exactly. , the russian, trips in particular they want to reference, the once in ukraine, have to be very low morale. their morale has to be terrible, because they have been sent to

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