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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 00:38:00

mostly regional ones, and we created a ukrainian network of local documentators. we have an ambitious goal to document in chronological order each criminal episode which was committed in the smallest village in each oblast in ukraine, and working together only for the nine months of this large scale invasion, we jointly documented 27,000 episodes of war crimes. and i ask myself, for whom do we document all this information for? because now we face with a very visible accountability gap when the national legal system is overloaded with an extreme amount of crimes, and international criminal court will limit investigation only to several select cases. so the question is who will provide justice for hundreds of thousands of victims of the war crimes?

Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 00:39:00

and this is the issue in which center for civil liberties is working for current moment. yeah, you have said very publicly that you want to see accountability go to the very top. i put it to you that none of the mechanisms that the international community has, led by the international criminal court, the icc at the hague, none of them, frankly, are capable of bringing vladimir putin to any kind of courtroom. history convincingly proves that authoritarian regimes collapse, and their leaders who think that they are untouchable appeared under the court. and i believe that law is a very dynamic material. we live in a new century and we can fill this accountability gap with a new additional international mechanism. and we must change the approach to work around justice, to provide justice for all victims, not only for those who will be lucky to be selected by international criminal court.

Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 04:40:00

to see accountability go to the very top. i put it to you that none of the mechanisms that the international community has, led by the international criminal court, the icc at the hague, none of them, frankly, are capable of bringing vladimir putin to any kind of courtroom. history convincingly proves that authoritarian regimes collapse, and their leaders who think that they are untouchable appeared under the court. and i believe that law is a very dynamic material. we live in a new century and we can fill this accountability gap with a new additional international mechanism. and we must change the approach to work around justice, to provide justice for all victims, not only for those who will be lucky to be selected by international criminal court. let me ask you a very basic question. here we are celebrating your winning, jointly winning the nobel peace prize. but right now, you are not a

Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 04:39:00

which was committed in the smallest village in each oblast in ukraine, and working together only for the nine months of this large scale invasion, we jointly documented 27,000 episodes of war crimes. and i ask myself, for whom do we document all this information for? because now we face with a very visible accountability gap when the national legal system is overloaded with an extreme amount of crimes, and international criminal court will limit investigation only to several select cases. so the question is who will provide justice for hundreds of thousands of victims of the war crimes? and this is the issue in which center for civil liberties is working for current moment. yeah, you have said very publicly that you want

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