fired. so the question remains, what does it actually take to be fired by president obama? with reaction are fox news political analyst juan williams and former florida congressman, colonial allen west. juan, i ll go to you first. what does it take? does president obama just not have the stomach to sign the pink slip? is it? well, i m amused by the lit knee. i think it s extreme and not accurate but i think that you re on to a point about accountabili accountability, everyone has to be held accountability. i don t think president obama is shy about throwing people under the bus. in the case of eric shinseki, if you talk to the veterans, there is a large dose of regret around. nobody thinks that shinseki is a bad person who is out to hurt veterans. to the contrary, they think he s a decorated military hero, a general and someone who cared deeply about the veterans and
phoenix going on to other places. look at more than two dozen facilities who might have had secret waiting lists. he came out publicly for the first time and talked about this. a lot of people are saying the secretary should go while there s stand by your man and then there s this. he has put his heart and soul in this thing and have taken it seriously and i said to rick and i said it to him today. i want to see, you know, what the results of these reports are and there is going to be accountabili accountability. i am going to make sure that there is accountability throughout the system after i get the full report. i know that rick s attitude is if he does not think he can do a good job on this and if he thinks he s let our veterans down, then i m sure that he is not going to be interested in continuing to serve. p julie, you covered the white house everyday and you re of the view that the secretary is safe. if my boss ever said that about
the white house has its top adviser down in phoenix where, of course, this all broke. and as much as we now hear the president talk in a mad voice about the need for accountabili accountability, he didn t really get into how the va secretary is being or will be held accountable even if only all of this happened on his watch for years. i will not stand for it. reporter: it was a time for the president to show that he, too, is mad as hell about the va scandal. using an angry tone. it is dishonorable, it is disgraceful, and i will not tolerate it, period. reporter: but if the president won t stand for secret waiting lists, months long delays in veterans care, this administration as well as the one before it did stand it for many years. the va itself made it very clear it was an on going problem. what has made things more difficult to explain is saying she didn t know the extent of it until now. what we have to do is find
are there other deaths and secret lists we don t know about? yes. we know there are have been a thousand preventable deaths since 9/11 at va facilities. these are just more surfacing. no one has been fired for any of this across the government because it s nearly impossible to do so. a group like ours is trying to push legislation forward that would empower these folks to get fired so you can create accountabili accountability. anybody within the system should see this. if this was the private sector, that doctor would be held liable and he would go to jail with everybody else. it s government gone wild. it s an unaccountable government. we have the series how bad government is, how destructive
related to any other factor of your life, if you buy a new car and go at the dmv, you may have to show up. the line may be out the door. you may not stay that day and come back the next day. you have to get it registered and buy into the system. there is big expectations here, though, charles. i hear you. that makes sense but the expectations are quite high, one of the most tech savvy white houses in history, obviously. people may have lost confidence and ross, a lot of republicans are looking for some answers and accountabili accountability. when you hear the secretary dorks you do you feel like you re getting answers? obviously we re not getting answers because administration doesn t have answers. i think one of the things that s become clear on the reporting of this including mine and charles own newspaper is there is a real level of uncertainty even in the administration how significant the problems are and whether