0 two sources 2010ed by the associated press says he is here in new york to face the charges. you mentioned sounded like they were getting very far with the interrogation on the ship. do we know if they got anything? it s very interesting. we have spoken to sources with knowledge of the investigation, who say that in fact al-liby was not cooperating last week, was not providing much information. remember, this is a man a terrorist, an accused terrorist, who wrote the book on how to resist interrogation. there was something called the manchester manual, back in the 90s, found in his london apartment, and it was for al qaeda operatives how to resist interrogation by western interrogators. so he knows what his rights are. he knows he will be read his miranda rights and now within a week they realized they weren t getting very far and read him his rights and now he will be tried for the 1998 bombings in a the republicans think they have been too tough on the pentagon. so if you hav
the cia although the lead investigative agency is the fbi. what are they subjecting him to? what are they getting out of him right now? what is he probably geting? he is getting refreshments and not a bad night s sleep. i don t want to sound cynical or pessimistic, we have to remember we pretty much told al qaeda and their various minions out there exactly what it is we can and can t do. also, he is fully aware, al-libi is not an idiot, he has been around long enough to know he is coming to the u.s. and to the u.s. judicial system. between knowing they can only stick to the army field manual which all those guys read the past few years, knowing that is all we can do to him, coming to the judicial system, good luck trying to pull anything out of him. first thing you want to do when you step into the interrogation room with detainees, immediately does know anything about impending operation or attack. get that information immediately. you know what? if you take away element of
i suppose we have to take at face value his word that, you know, this was an actual kidnapping and that somehow, you know, some faction he is associated with isn t in on it, to help him make him look tougher, make him look tougher or something like that. we have to note what he said. i m not quite there yet where i take him at his word but i think, you know, certainly what this says to me the fact that he was released so quickly and unharmed somebody cut a deal. so, you know, the kidnappers or group or whoever they were working on behalf, they got what they were looking for or they were appeased in some fashion. this is not atypical. this constant struggle has been going on really ever since the civil war kicked off in libya. jon: meantime this guy the delta force raiders grabbed in tripoli, abu anas al-liby, the guy who may be the motive for the kidnapping of the prime minister who was subsequently released he is being questioned on board this ship somewhere out in the med train wit
think of that kind of thing happening in any country? well, yeah it does although in libya given the countless militias, factions, criminal organizations, and they re all vying for their little pieces of turf and power. they re all cutting deals constantly with each other. they re trying to get the others on side or take them out of the picture. so the fact that something like this happened, there has been some reporting that perhaps the kidnapping was all about the fact that this particular group was upset over the raid that picked up al-libi. you know what? it honestly could have been the fact that this faction wasn t paid their salary they were promised or weren t given something somebody promised. it is that bizarre of an environment right now and yet we want to imagine somehow they re marching on their way towards democracy. jon: yeah. if somebody wanted him dead, clearly he would be dead. 150 armed men, they could have taken him and done anything they wanted with him. right.
do some other bad things to our people. just some examples, we couldn t immediately pay death gratuities to those who die on active duty during the lapse. reporter: that was pentagon comptroller robert heal three days before the shutdown. robert heal warned everyone on the friday that the death benefit payments for military service families would be a problem if there was a shutdown. clearly politicians decided what they wanted to hear and now there is a debate how to interpret the pay our military act which some lawmakers thought dealt with these issues. jenna? jenna: jennifer, thank you. jon: there are new reports that several u.s. defense attorneys say they want to represent captured al qaeda leader abu anas al-liby, the terror suspect indicted in the 1998 embassy bombings in kenya and tanzania, bombings that killed more than 200 people. security forces picked up al-libi in a terror raid in