when we when we came out ofut where we met with him, there bos a blackout in the city because of concerns aboututut rockets. we were encouraged not to use our automobile to drive back because the lights would draw rocket fire . we walked and because of the experience of what of about ts fight was and seeing it in the faces of leadership and not the only thing we talked about, the only thing we felt was the deepest sense of heartbreak. first for the ukrainians who were going to fight, be maimed, be injured. the war of attrition. but very quickly i thought this one this one my children are going to feel if this thingt is not one , they re going to feel it in tangible ways