counsel, jeffrey toobin, okay? because this is not normal times. you know, these people are saying wait a minute. we have to open an obstruction of justice investigation into the sitting president of the united states? i mean, you don t think that causes a little bit of consternation behind closed doors? of course, it does. michael zeld din, does it? i m not suggesting that the issues to be investigated were not unusual and were at the highest level of you know, anxiety within the justice department. all i m saying is that in the ordinary course, this is the way the justice department and the fbi proceeds. there is no ordinary course. this is not ordinary. jeffrey, you re conflating the unusualness of the issue to be investigated with the ordinariness of the process. i think the process was more normal than you do, but we both agree that the circumstances of
how frantic people were, frantic enough maybe to be joking about wearing a wire, but also frantic enough to say, this is out of control. and we ped to investigate the president on obstruction. i mean, it must have been quite a scene inside the justice department, and now, very difficult i would think for rosenstein top yet guaren to explain what was occurring. michael zelden, just can you put this in perspective how unusual it would can to have this conversation in the department of justice and the fbi about opening an investigation to a sitting president? well, i guess i see it a little bit differently. you have comey fired on the 9th of may. then eventual this seven-day period during which the fbi and the justice department are trying to make a determination about whether or not what comey wrote in his memos warrants an independent counsel or some type of inquiry. so they open up a preliminary
think that showed a lot of courage. i think it showed a lot of courage by the republicans on that board to join the democrats and independents to do that. and i believe that they will hold a full and a thorough investigation to look at all the evidence and all the affidavits and make a decision about whether this election was tainted. it sounds like you think the evidence might be there. it doesn t look good. it doesn t look good for my opponent mark harris, who has paid, hired this convicted felon to handle his absentee ballot work and liked his services so much that he actually recommended him to other politicians. i call on my opponent go on. sorry. i call on my opponent, mark harris, to end his silence. he has been completely silent during this entire episode. and i think he owes the american people, he needs to tell the american people exactly what he knew and when. so why did you retract your concession today? obviously it s because of what
simply about talking through ways to conduct the investigation. the source saying he never said anything like that. and the spokeswoman for mccabe did not provide a comment for this story, anderson. the spokesperson for rosenstein is denying an investigation was opened up? no. the spokesperson for mccabe is not offering any comment for this story, is declining to comment. but if you look at the comment from a source in the justice department, this source only said that rosenstein never said he wanted to rein in the president, he was just discussing ways in which to conduct the investigation. why would rosenstein okay opening a probe when it was his own memo the white house was using to justify firing comey in the first place? well, that s a good question. and it s a bit puzzling. for the deputy attorney general this obstruction investigation into trump and the appointment of the special counsel has certainly turned his entire
the board of elections found and because of the investigation, i would assume. and what do you believe should happen next? i was in disney world with my four little kids and my wife about two weeks ago. i had i thought this long nearly two-year campaign was over. only to find out over the last week the really criminal activity bankrolled by my opponent had been occurring here in massive ways right in my district. so i was as surprised as anyone to see the board refuse to certify this election and really see how much fraud and how many irregularities and how much criminal behavior has come out over the last week. it s been not just rollin out day by day. it s been rolling out hour by hour. do you mean criminal behavior or alleged criminal behavior? well, these affidavits don t paint a pretty picture. there are people in north carolina whose voices have been taken from them.