And the president we are told has been said to question at times mcganns loyalty. And as you mentioned, the New York Times report mcgann has been taking to call the president king kong behind his back. Geoff bennett at the white house, thank you. Joining me now, Natasha Bertrand and Franco Ordonez and glenn kercher, former federal prosecutor. Ill start with you and the New York Times report saying mr. Mcgann laid out how mr. Trump tried to control the investigation, giving investigators a mix of information both potentially damaging and favorable to the president. Mr. Mcgann cautioned to investigators that he never saw mr. Trump go beyond his legal authorities, though the limits of executive power are murky. Thats in that New York Times reporting. Whats your reaction to that . Right, so what mcgann can offer to the special counsel is an important look into perhaps the president s state of mind, right, he can offer examples of specific episodes perhaps that can show muellers team what t