that copy was published in 2006 by national geographic. and what does it tell us that we didn t know before? what surprises were there for you? oh, there were lots of surprises for me. in terms of religious studies, finding a new gospel like this is like finding a new planet for a physicist. so this is a lost gospel, and it tells us a story of judas that s a little different. irinyas had told us that the gospel of judas spoke about judas being a hero, so we were all very much expecting this when we first started working on this text, but as i worked through this text i found that in this text judas is portrayed as a demon and a rather evil demon at that. and, i mean, the bible says that judas sold jesus out for 30 silver coins. uh-huh.