that? i thought it was incredible. they re really amazing people. like really just incredible. i really felt it was a really powerful moment just being present for that. i felt so moved by their forgiveness. i heard john s family say they forgive your father. do you forgive him? my mom says that forgiveness is a journey. it is not a destination. we both talk about how we re not there yet. i haven t but i m working toward that. yeah. que me va a frenar. que me va a frenar si acele.. y si acelero no me paran el viento pega en mi cara si acelero no me paran el viento pega en mi cara
susan carson, had killed him. it wasn t their only murder. after authorities arrested the carsons for john s murder, michael wrote a letter from jail to the san francisco chronicle making his own demand. my father said they would confess to two more murders if they could have a live press conference. 35 years ago, investigators granted their wish. during a taped press conference, the carsons admitted to two additional murders, describing the brutal violence they had inflicted on their victims. in 1981, they stabbed 23-year-old karen barnes 13 time, bludgeoning her to death with a frying pan. in 1982, they killed 27-year-old clark stevens, shooting him three times and burning his body. they claimed everyone they had killed were witches, and that god had told them to do it.
nor had made any attempt to find them. so that s when i sent them a message, because they have a right to know. yeah, i was actually kind of touched that someone, you know, a family member would reach out. what was your brother, john, like? he was a good kid. but he was tenderhearted. yeah, it was really kind of sad to see do you all feel any closure right now? just having had the opportunity to meet each other face to face? yeah. there s a time for grieving and a time for letting it go and moving on. i forgave a long time ago as much as you can forgive. you won t forget your brother, you won t forget what happened. your brother deserves justice and we ll fight the next parole hearing. we re united and this is what we believe is right. so what did you think of
when my father was given a parole hearing, it just spun me out. i was frightened, you know? i felt unsafe. to keep the carsons behind bars, jen has connected online with each of the victims families, to fight their parole. today, she s meeting the family of the carsons last victim in person for the very first time. john offered a ride to my father and susan, and susan stabbed him repeatedly, and then my father shot him. why do you want to meet the family members of the people your father killed? i want to tell them that i m so deeply sorry for the loss of their brother, and i m hopeful this could help bring them peace. in a suburb of san diego, we re about to meet john s siblings, danny and diane.
i mean, we re standing where my mom gave me this life-changing news. do you remember what your mom said to you that day? yeah. i remember every second of that moment. she said, i told you that daddy was really sick and that s why he couldn t see you anymore. and daddy got more sick, and he hurt a bunch of people. then i looked up and i said, are the hurt people dead? she said, yes, and that s when she started crying. that s the day your life changed forever? yeah. during the years jen and her mom were in hiding, jen s father married susan and embarked on a very dark path. in 1983, along california s highway 101, a man named john hellier picked up two hitchhikers. 24 hours later he was dead. his passengers, michael and