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I’m Ezra Klein, and this is “The Ezra Klein Show.” [MUSIC PLAYING] There’s a book I’ve been thinking about a lot lately. It’s by Daniel Ziblatt, who’s a Harvard political scientist, and it’s called “Conservative Parties and the Birth of Democracy.” And what he shows in that book is that democracies live or die based on how responsible their conservative parties are. [MUSIC PLAYING] In particular, the question is whether the center right quarantines the anti-democratic far right, in which case democracies tend to live and thrive, or it allies with them, in which case, the far right often takes over and democracies often fall. We are in that kind of moment right now. There is a rising far right that has become explicitly, dangerously anti-democratic. It will not be stopped by the Democratic Party because it does not care what the Democratic Party thinks, and it does not rely on the Democratic Party’s voters for its support. It will not be stopped by the mainstrea

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