1991 after the soviet union collapsed. the soviet industrial gems, ukraine say very rich count ukraine is a very rich country. unlike russia ukraine say competitive democracy, it is a d ukrainians think that american political consultants are good at helping them win elections, doing things like polling, consulting, voter targeting. on the business side, a lot of these companies like burisma, the energy company that hunter biden whose board hunter biden sat on want god bigger and expand its reach past ukraine. for that you need a big name, a big western name for window dressing to kind of dress up an otherwise murky and opaque company. and you need western lobbyists so shake the trees in washington and make the aid come in and, you know, fill out the coffers in kiev.