Chris Matthews debates hot political issues with politicians, newsmakers and Washington leaders. Comes from giuliani, who attempted to downplay the criminal aspect of collusion with the russians. Rather than deny that collusion took place, he now today argued that collusion isnt illegal. Lets watch. Ive been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. Its not. Collusion is not a crime. I dont even know if thats a crime, colluding about russians. You start analyzing the crime. The hacking is the crime. The hacking that certainly is the original the president didnt hack. Of course not. Thats he didnt pay them for hacking. Its so much fun. An apparent shift in strategy. Giuliani now appears to be saying that collusion is not so bad after all. You saw him there chuckling about it. And also 150e78d to undermined the credibility, however, of President Trumps frequent and categorical denials that there was no collusion. Which has been a familiar refrain from
Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. The cfo knows. Was there Money Laundering . Is there wire fraud or fraud on Karen Mcdougal . What did she think she was signing . Theres a host of questions and possible crimes that could be charged. I think they are running scared from Michael Cohen. I think also theyre running scared from him because of what has come out about what hes saying about the 2016 Trump Tower Meeting with also goes a long way, if true, in helping to put trump in a conspiracy with the russians. Its important to note sort of one of the main take aways. Because Rudy Giuliani did address that. And he suddenly says that trump, it wasnt that he didnt know the Trump Tower Meeting took place. Its that trump wasnt there. We already knew that President Trump was never at that Trump Tower Meeting. The issue always that he absolutely had no knowledge of it. Now Rudy Giuliani
Chris Hayes discusses the days top news. Confused, one goal of mr. Giuliani was pretty evident. Ive been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. Its not. Collusion is not a crime. I dont even know if thats a crime, colluding about russians. Okay. You start analyzing the crime, the hacking is the crime. That certainly is the origin of the the president didnt hack. Of course not. Thats the he didnt pay them for hacking. As you know, it has led the meeting with the russians. If you got the hacked information from the russians here at cnn and you played it would you be in jeopardy of going to jail . Of course not. Okay. The president didnt hack and he didnt pay for the hacking. So thats an interesting thing to say. That, though, you that see there, is an idea that trumps allies have trotted out before. It doesnt hold up to legal scrutiny at all, particularly when you consider that mueller has already charged more than a dozen russians with conspiring a
Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. One day before President Trumps former Campaign Manager is going to stand trial in Federal Court for Money Laundering and bank fraud in relation to his work for a prorussian Political Party in ukraine and one day after the president went on possibly his most aggressive twitter rant yet about the mueller investigation, which he called the operation an illegal scam, trumps lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, was out today wildly, desperately spinning to try to accomplish two very specific things. One, move the goalposts to say that collusion is not a crime, and two, to get ahead of the emerging storyline of a Trump Campaign strategy meeting that maybe occurred two days before the Infamous Trump tower meeting that had promised dirt on Hillary Clinton. In two interviews this morning, interviews that were often confusing, bewildering, and in which giuliani often seemed confused, one goal of mr. Giuliani was pretty evident. Chris Hayes discusses the days top ne
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