and one of the organizations that got approved and has raised the biggest scream about it is glenn beck s 912 project. well, there s a requirement that you cannot have a group that benefits an individual. now, chris, if you start tomorrow, the chris hayes 1112 project, do you think it might benefit you? yes, i m hoping. that s the hustle i m trying to run. i ve got to keep my options open. congressman keith ellison, what is your reaction to this? what is your reaction to the president s approach to talking about this today? well, the president s reaction was appropriate. but i think the irs has apologized. now i think the thing to do is to take the right lesson, which is that we need congress to act to say we re going to scrutinize all groups that have that are electioneering when they should be doing social welfare. the thing i fear is that the irs will be backed off. yes. and that s the thing i don t want. i think the irs should get more engaged, not less. we have new rep
through additional scrutiny and additional scrutiny has a kind of force when it s the irs doing the scrutiny, right? we don t there s something about that but they should have gone very careful about. they should have gone through that scrutiny. they are required, the irs is required to do this. now, congress should be talking about exactly as you make the point, what are the rules going to be for what is a social welfare organization? do we really want political organizations posing as this? and one of the organizations that got approved and has raised the biggest scream about it is glenn beck s 912 project. well, therest a requirement that you cannot have a group that benefits an individual. now, chris, if you start tomorrow, the chris hayes 1112 project, do you think it might benefit you? yes, i m hoping. that s the hustle i m trying to run. i ve got to keep my options open. congressman keith ellison, what is your reaction to this? what is your reaction to the presid
of force when it s the irs doing the scrutiny, right? we don t there s something about that but they should have gone very careful about. they should have gone through that scrutiny. they are required, the irs is required to do this. now, congress should be talking about exactly as you make the point, what are the rules going to be for what is a social welfare organization? do we really want political organizations posing as this? and one of the organizations that got approved and has raised the biggest scream about it is glenn beck s 912 project. well, therest a requirement that you cannot have a group that benefits an individual. now, chris, if you start tomorrow, the chris hayes 1112 project, do you think it might benefit you? yes, i m hoping. that s the hustle i m trying to run. i ve got to keep my options open. congressman keith ellison, what is your reaction to this? what is your reaction to the president s approach to talking about this today? well, the preside
to nine months to get approval for these statuses. yet tea party groups, 912 groups, patriot groups around the country have been waiting years now as the irs continues to string us along. how expensive and time-consuming was the process? i understand that they would ask you to respond to a number of questions and demands and it would take a long time. is that right? well, they sent a letter asking for all sorts of questions including the names or the posts that were on our facebook pages, all the comments on it, e-mails we had sent, names of senators and congressmen or supporters around had spoken to. some of the information was il impossible for us to collect. we re voluntarily affiliated organization. we don t even know everyone who s affiliated with us. and some of it just really is none of the irs s business. you heard senator franken earlier in the broadcast and to play devil s advocate and paraphrase what he said, obviously no particular ideology or partisan affiliation sho
was going on we took steps to make it better and i don t expect those things to reoccur. this is a complete and total abuse of power by bureaucrats and they re distributioning the power that they have abusing the power in the irs. it is completely unacceptable. chris: an irs official acknowledging it gave extra scrutiny to conservative groups seeking tax exempt status but a tea party official dismissed the apology as not enough. we are back with the panel. big new developments today in the irs story. and inspector general s report due out it in the next few days will report the following. irs officials knew as early as 2011, not 2012 as previously reported the agency was targeting conservative groups for extra scrutiny and singled out groups with tea party or are patriot or 912 project in the name. kim, how big a deal? a very big deal not only because of what you just said