businessman john herring was one of his neighbors. bring your cars to the front of the garage, you take your airplane out the back of the garage. you taxi it down and you take off. and sandler was so proud of his four-seater, like an airborne sports car the neighbors say. he was very particular, and very detailed, and took great care of his airplane. the beautiful wife, a big house, an airplane in the garage, it suited glen sandler perfectly. glen loved flying, and betty was always with him. she always says, glenn was a good has been. but of course, nobody is perfect, everybody has flaws, every marriage as well. and even this neighbor found himself wondering if he was a little too determined to get
taking passengers on board. exactly. would you ever have taken passengers on board a submersible that had not gone through the standard maritime safety protocols? no. not at all. i mean, my sub that i went to the challenger deep dove safely three times deeper than titanic. we made multiple dives in that sub. that sub was a single seater. and it was only contemplated that myself and the engineer with whom i co-designed the vehicle would be the only pilots of that sub. and we worked on it for seven years. we knew every detail of it intimately. i was involved in every phase of the testing. so you know, i assessed the risks. i understood them very well. and those were risks i was willing to take. i would never take it upon myself to ask someone else to take that type of risk. and if i were designing a multiseat vehicle where i intended to be the pilot we d go through all of the rigorous test protocols and review protocols that you have with, let s say,
i forgot the name of the place that you went, but the challenger deep, you went in your own designed craft that is a submersible that was experimental and did not go through the standard safety protocols. the difference is you are not taking passengers. would you ever have taken passengers on board a submersible that had not gone through the standard maritime safety protocols? not at all. my summary that i went to the challenger deep dove safety three times deeper than the titanic. we made multiple dies. that was a single seater. it was only contemplated that myself and the engineer with whom i codesigned the vehicle will be the only pilots. we worked on it for 7 years. we knew every detail. i was involved in every phase of testing. i assessed the risk and understood them very well.
and see if i can make it work and three days later he says any luck and at one point i know that he went to vegas, traveled to vegas to see you to meet with you and close the deal. now, jay is here talking about red flags. what about that trip raised a red flag to you? came all the way to see you to get you to buy these tickets. yeah. you know, stockton, i think his heart was in the right place and he was passionate about his project and he believed everything he was saying. but one of the things that concerned me was he told me he was flying in to see me and landing at north las vegas airport which is an odd selection. most people that come in privately come into either mckaren which is now harry reid international or henderson executive and i asked him why and he said he was coming in on a two seater experimental plane that he built and i started to think about it he s coming in on a two seater experimental plane to pitch me to go on a five
seater experimental sub that he built down to the ocean floor to see the titanic and it was just he has ape different risk a different risk appetite than i do. i am a pilot and wouldn t get into an experimental aircraft. yeah. shawn, when you think about what happened here and how close you were to being on this i know that you all thought about it. did you ever convey to stockton rush safety concerns? i mean, i know at one point jay you talked about a friend of shawns worried about things like a squid hitting it and he dismissed those concerns but did you talk to him about your serious structural issues and worries that you had? yeah. he came out to las vegas in march to see me. we met a couple of times in person but the march 1st he came out and took me through the titanic exhibition and then we