get out of the former vice president. sure if the ruling stands up and he ends up complying absolutely. and it s important anderson to get out of the frame of mike pence and donald trump were bickering in her mad at each other sort of the palace intrigue stuff. and where is there legally operative information that could come from mike pence number one. what evidence or information? did he hear about the president, knowing he was going to obstruct the actions of congress, which is itself a federal offense? was the president. the president make any threats to mike pence? was he aware of violence on the day of january? 6th was he aware of any other crimes that may have transpired. those are all legally relevant questions to charges that could either come to the president or other people around him. so it s yes, it s interesting as a human matter. but there s actually some law there and mike pence is a very central figure who might have heard important information. clear what phase this in