confused and at times amused by the fact that he couldn t decide what to acknowledge was true, where to stand, basically. to say, oh, it s okay, the president can do anything he wants, or actually, the president didn t do it because there was no quid pro quo. actually, the president did something else. you ve got all these messengers out there trying parrot talking points that are totally inconsistent and don t make sense, and then somewhere in outer space, you ve got rudy giuliani out there giving every possible crazy answer to every possible question. and what you have is kind of a messaging nightmare right now. then you have a lot of republicans, especially republican senators, who are just sort of pulling the covers over their heads and hoping nobody notices they re still
some dirt on president trump s phone call with ukraine. it s so clear and it so goes to the heart of the very idea of public service and public responsibility, and thus, abuse of the public trust that i think that s why. i think that s why it seemed to go almost overnight. people look at it and say, oh, you know, we have no choice. so you have all those democrats who had been really reluctant to go there. nearly half the caucus had been reluctant to go there at all, and then almost literally overnight, just taking a look at the situation, they said, this has to happen. and the most important one, of course, who did that was nancy pelosi. and those who, you know, who don t think she s serious about
orders? i think traditionally in this kind of investigation, you start with the people lower down for lots of different reasons. these are people in their 30s, 40s who say, wait a minute, i ve got a career in front of me, or at least i hope i have a career in front of me. i m not going to take a call for a president or for a senior white house adviser. so i think that s part of the way you break apart what looks to be a unified group of people. what are they supposed to do? you worked at some of the inside levels that some of us never get to and you do things that are questionable. the intelligence agencies, the cia, you do tough stuff and i m sure people think, god, did we cross the line? what happens if it s not tough and on the line but so over the line that somebody says, i don t know that we should carry this out. i don t know that we should work with a foreign government to sabotage a domestic candidate.