correlations, but the first go-around, the quid pro quo part of it is not nearly clear cut. in terms of what mr. giuliani was talking to them about, some things you were describing there in terms of the business pursuits he was having, the for-show meetings we know he was having at the time, certainly it was probably a prestige thing for a number of ukrainian figures to be seen meeting with him, have their picture with him. do we have any do you have any reporting or do we have any understanding about whether or not giuliani might have been talking to this ukrainian prosecutor about the special counsel investigation? about the manafort prosecution? about whether or not ukraine was going to offer cooperation and assistance to what was happening at the justice department at the time? i mean, we do know that he did meet with that prosecutor at one point. as our understanding is, this was in june of 2017. giuliani insists in a conversation that he had with maggie haberman, one of my
did meet with that prosecutor at one point. as our understanding is, this was in june of 2017. giuliani insists in a conversation that he had with maggie haberman, one of my colleagues, over the weekend, that he was not bringing up mueller at all and that he was not at that point working as the president s lawyer and that his conversations and his work in ukraine in that period was about his the private clients he had. i mean, what we know for sure is that the president poroshenko was trying to improve his relations with the united states and get military assistance from the united states. and he was doing that in part by offering things to trump that he thought would appeal to trump and that would be, for example, a deal of $70 million worth of the u.s. coal sales to ukraine. or a deal for ge to sell locomotives to ukraine or westinghouse to provide nuclear fuel to its power plants. so those things were definitely happening. giuliani was present during this, but the quid pro quo par
so i think as far as everyone goes we now have to look at it, it s no longer an issue if you talk about it based on the president s team. willie, remember tycobb said it s all wrapped up by 2017. by christmas 2017. giuliani has been saying deadline is labor day. again, time and time again mueller has said nothing. he s just kept his head down, working 24 hours a day. i don t think he s listening to him? of course not. the vice president told andrea mitchell a couple of months ago time to wrap it up. time to wrap it up. you talk to giuliani more than the rest of us. the president s team are the ones that have some leverage over bob mueller. when the truth of the matter is they will do it if not voluntarily through subpoena they will do what bob mueller tells them to do. it s their attempt to shape public perception here and to