so we as legal analysts are left to explain it ourselves. i think closing arguments are critical. do you subscribe to the theory that the state overcharged? would it have been easier to get a manslaughter conviction? i don t know. i think that s a tough call. ill will, hatred and spite are the elements of second degree murder. intentional shooting with ill will, spite and hatred. they have zimmerman s words recorded on the nonemergency police call. he says these a-holes always get away, these f ing punks. that can establish ill will. even later, even months later on the hannity interview, he says the killing was god s plan and he has no regrets. harsh words. presumably after he s been prepped by his attorney. the atmosphere outside the courtroom today, how is it? you know what, chuck, that s
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criminal defense attorney. thank you both for being here tonight. good to be here. zachary, the defense bleeping punks was just slang. your testimony on this about ill will and spite. ill will and spite, sure. i think the jury is going to have an opportunity to view the totality of the circumstances, not just one phrase, but his whole course of conduct, the fact that he referred to them as a-holes, the fact that he talked about them being f-ing punks or worse, depending on how you hear it on the tape. the fact that his course of conduct in following this young man, who didn t behave in any way based on any objective evidence we ve seen so far that would signal that he was involved in any suspicious or criminal activity. i mean, one of the things that i think it will be useful, and i m sure that the jury will see it
faith, the judge is considering whether to allow previous 911 calls by george zimmerman to be introduced as evidence. this was always the plan. and the defense could have objected to this earlier. but they didn t object to it until today. what is the significance of it? what are the stakes for each side in that decision? in order to prove second degree murder, the state has to show that george zimmerman operated with ill will or a depraved mind. when he referred to him, he talked about trayvon martin was alone, remember, he was walking alone, but george zimmerman talked about him as if he was with a group of people. these a-holes always get away, these [ bleep ] punks, again, more than one person. so he had an attitude about trayvon martin, attributing the attitude about trayvon martin, these people who he didn t think belonged in his neighborhood. thank you both for joining me tonight. coming up, there is a new