cardinals on 19 april, 2005. amazing. welcome in a special panel to talk about the resignation. kathryn lopez with national review online. she talked to the pope last fall. david kerr is the correspondent with ewtn, global catholic media network in the u.s.. steven white is the fellow in the catholic studies program at ethics and public policy center in washington. i think we can get out of the way that everybody here was shocked and surprised when they got the news this morning. first, you talked with pope benedict and you had a conversation, and that experience and then you get this news today. what about that? that was shocking. but also, totally consistent in keeping with i think the pope and what we need right now. there is a lot of talk about renewal. evangelization and church