some might argue. 17 all time majors for federer, but that s an argument for another and we probably just argue too much. let s move onto the tour de france, the 8th leg now completed. yeah, more of the tour de france than the police plotter news of doping and lance armstrong. they had a native son, actually, a frenchman win the 8th stage, 22 youngers rider in the main pack and he wasn t supposed to be on the team and had to convince his manager to let him go and ride and rewards him with this. what s interesting about what you just said, a lot of people have been kind of glued to the news headlines, and the doping accusations, but this lives on without paying attention to that. and the cyclers, someone was asked, the leaders were asked about doping suspiciouses and it s hard to not bristle. when are competing allegedly