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The nation. Captioning sponsored by cbs were going to start this morning with Historic Deal between United States and iran limit that countrys nuclear capabilities. Congress has 06 days to review the deal and vote on it. Friday we sat down with secretary of state john kerry and Energy Secretary earnest moniz who kale face. Mr. Secretary iran is sworn enemy of the United States. Why should americans within they see iranians dancing in the street why shouldnt they be suspicious. Everybody should be. Were suspicious. Which is why we negotiated the deal that is not based on trust at all. Everything that this deal is based on is on performance that could be verified. And that is critical. Ronald reagan negotiated with the former soviet union. Richard nixon negotiated with red china. You have to negotiate sometimes with people to make the world and your country safer. We negotiated because president obama thought the primary challenge here was getting a Nuclear Weapon away from iran and we believe this deal does that. Dickerson secretary moniz, one of the opponent, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of the 24 day waiting period on inspections, he said, you wouldnt tell a drug dealer, give them 24day notice they just flush the drugs down the toilet, do they have a point . I dont think thats an option with nuclear materials. The first point is that under iaea engagements, they had no timeframe for resolving issues when going to undeclared sights. Getting defined timeframe is very critical. There has to be a process to go through with the p5 plus one to force in case of dispute, force inspection. Iran otherwise to in breach. 24 days we feel confident to detect any Nuclear Activity very long after it has occurred. What happened mr. Secretary can with any tomb, anywhere . This is a them honestly i never heard in the four years that we were negotiating. No such thing in arms control as any time anywhere. There isnt any nation in the world none, that has any time, anywhere. It is truth is what we always were negotiating was an end to the interminably delays. What he said is iaea has no way to end it. We negotiated a way to ebbed it. We have a finite time period thats never happened before. We have one nations ability to take this school to enforce it that is unique. We think it was a huge accomplishment. To get this finite period. The said in april you will have anywhere any time, 247 access. We have access to these places. I dont know if he was referring everywhere, but access resolution of an iaea challenge for a suspected facility thats undeclared this is a break through agreement which has a finite period that our intel community, our scientists that no way for them to hide that material or do away in 24 days. Dickerson if i could just jump in clarify again iaea world is very important to distinguish, declared, undeclared sights. Declared we have 24 hour access, undeclared we have this process. Dickerson well have to move on. Secretary kerry terrorist takes to get both conventional arms and ballistic missiles. Were not. There is a limit on their ability to do so. Under the arms embargo arms control there will be limit of five years. Under the missile eight years the reason that were only able to limit to five and eight which is quite extraordinary we got that. Was that three of the nations negotiating thought they shouldnt have any. They are ready to hold out. We said under no circumstances we have to have those and they add on through Additional Mechanisms that we have to hold them accountable, arms and missiles. Missile control technology other missile restraints. Also have other u. N. Resolutions that prevent them from moving arms. Prevents them from moving arms to the shia. To the shia militia. Prevents moves arms to hezbollah. We have an ability way beyond nothing to do with this agreement continue to enforce those issues. Dickerson how should americans think about iran in wake of this agreement s. Iran americas enemy . Well, iran has been, obviously. The same way that Ronald Reagan negotiated with the soviet union, same way that Richard Nixon negotiated what we then called red china we have now negotiated with somebody who took our embassy over, took hostages, killed americans many of the things you hear people say. Supported terrorism. But what we need to recognize is that an iran that we want to stop the behavior of, with the Nuclear Weapon, is a very different iran than iran without a Nuclear Weapon. And we saw this opportunity, the president saw it, committed us to try to find a way through diplomacy to end that program of nuclear, thats exactly what we have done. Dickerson you said they were an enemy what are they now . I said, they are an enemy. They are still were still adversaries. Were not allies and friends any means. This agreement does only one thing. You heard the ayatollah just in the last days proclaiming the continued with the United States. Is very different country than iran with one. That middle east without Nuclear Weapon is a safer, middle east. We believe that israel, we believe the region will ultimately be much safer because of this deep. If we dont do this deal, if coming guess says no to this deal there will be no restraints on iran, there will be no sanctions left. Our friends will desert us. We will be viewed as having killed the opportunity to stop them from having weapons, they will begin to enrich again greater likelihood youll have a war. Dickerson last question. If you dont get majority in congress to support this deal doesnt that undermine the deal . No. Not in the least. They dont care over there whether its majority or minority or whatever it is as long as deal is implemented. Thats what we care about. This we love see Congress Listen carefully and were going to go up and meet with them. Were going to do our utmost to persuade people. No, i dont think that undermines this deal. This deal will stand on the fact that theres up precedented inspection. Unprecedented access. Unprecedented restraint and their program which they have agreed to. Increase in the break out time for material from two months to one year for the next ten years. There is a limit on their size of their stockpile for 15 years. For 25 years they are going to have to allow tracking and monitoring of their mining, of their uranium through the fuel cycle and our experts are convinced, exerts are convinced that we will know what they were doing and we will be able to protect our security interests and interests of the region. Dickerson just add that, for the long term, we are certainly better off with regard to any weapon possibility with this deal and without it. That starts day one. It goes on essentially indefinitely. Dickerson thank you. Joining me now is the top critic of the Iran Nuclear Deal israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Sect kerry said that iran was an enemy of the United States is now an adversary. You said the question is, what is the nature of the iranian regime. Why is that so important . Well, you got a pretty big indication that have yesterday when the ruler of iran, the ayatollah said, after this agreement is concluded that hes going to continue supporting terrorists in the middle east and in the world. Hes committed to israels destruction, this regime has just received a dream deal. Its getting may get deal that may block or delay irans path to one or two bombs the next few years assuming they dont cheat. But pave their way because they become threshold state with full international legitimate see to boot also get cash to fund their terrorists and aggression against us, against the region. Against america and the world. I think this is a very bad deal with a very bad regime. Its not good nor anyones security. Not ours, not yours. Dickerson in the short run isnt israel safer at the beginning of this year the break out time couple of months now to a year doesnt that make israel safer . No, it doesnt. Because iran would have to go against international sanction, is that were hobbling their economy, their inflation rate was 35 . They were about to collapse. The economy was in dire straits. I think that what they got now is a path that gets rid of all these sanctions allows keep the deal, able to break out to where they to Nuclear Arsenal vert rally zero break out time. Iran on path to a much bigger Nuclear Arsenal. And secondly theyre getting a lot of money. Their economy was really stifled now going to get all that with which they can arm their terrorists hamas and various terrorist groups supported around the world. Dickerson you talk all the other areas that iran is active in the region. Secretary kerry said that the United States is going to, quote, up our game in terms of pushing back against iran and those other areas. What would you like to see if the United States wasd to up its game . I think biggest thing is the dual threat that is posed against israel, arab neighbors many of the leaders as leader of the opposition here in ace real. This deal by itself is biggest problem that we face. I think that the problem with iran is that nothing has been actually restricted on its behavior. I offered an alternative, they said theres no alternative to this deal. Of course there is. First was dismantling Irans Nuclear program. That was the original american position. It was a good one. I offered another alternative dismantle part of the nuclear facilities, dont remove those restrictions until rean changes its aggressive behavior. None of these restrictions stop terrorism. Forcing them to stop calling for destruction. Stop their attacks which killed hundreds of americans forcing them to dismantle the missiles that are developing for years. Developing these Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles for us. They will be able to tip them with nuclear warheads. None of that has been acquired. I think right thing to do not to go ahead with this deal. Many other things can be done to stop irans aggression but making this deal is not one of them. Dickerson i know youre talking to lots of people, talking to us obviously, will you lobbying members of congress against this deal . I feel its my obligation as Prime Minister of israel to speak out against something that endangers the survival of my country, security of the region, security of the world. I obviously make my face. I think that is important. Its not only important for us but its important for the entire world. Dickerson you said that this is a catastrophic and historic mistake, president obama once said that he had israels back, do you think that hes betrayed you here with this deal . Look, i appreciate, president obama and United States ongoing commitment to israel security. Thats always something thats important. But this deal we have a disagreement. Honest disagreement. Respectful disagreement among friends. I think that people say while everybody agrees with this deal except israel. Everyone is united against this new opposition and coalition alike. Secondly many in the region speak to me tell me how theyre worried that this deal will endanger their security. In many ways. People say well, the whole world agrees. Thats not true. But even if they did there was celebrated deal, a few years ago, nuclear deal, everybody in the Scientific Community everybody applauded it. It was a deal with north kiir rei cant. That proved to be mistake. North korea today has dozen Nuclear Bombs and is on track to get within few years 100 Nuclear Bombs. I think that this is repeat of the mistake of north korea. What is more, eye tolll the ruler of iran, dictator saying going to continue his battle against United States and his worldwide terrorism. I think shouldnt give them a reward. This deal paves the path for Nuclear Arsenal make the problem of terrorism and the region and in the world much worse by giving iran billions of dollars for their war on terror. Dickerson all right. Prime minister, benjamin, netanyahu. Well be back in one minute. A subconscious. A knack for predicting the future. Reflexes faster than the speed of thought. Can a business have a spirit . Can a business have a soul . Can a business be. Alive . Dickerson were back with the top democrat on Senate Intelligence Committee Dianne feinstein. Well get back to the iran deal in a moment. I wanted to ask you about the other big story this week on thursday, maam made Muhammad Youssef abdulazeez Muhammad Youssef abdulazeez went on shooting spree at marine facility in chattanooga killing five. Do we have any idea, any intelligence what radicalized Muhammad Youssef abdulazeez . Not at the present time . Thats being investigated as you know a team has been sent to jordan to explore that fur newer. But john in my view based on what i know so far this is a classic lone wolf terrorist attack. Last year, 2014, isil in the area put out a call for people to kill military people, police officers, government officials and do so on their own not wait for direction. It could rell be that this is that case. Here somebody who had guns, who knew how to use them, who may have been agreed by one thing or another. But this is all changing. Here is how its changing. It is now possible for people, if theyre going to talk syria to the United States to get on encrypted app which cannot be decrypted by the government with a court order. And this is extraordinarily dangerous. Dickerson is this the new state of affairs . No way he could have been caught by some kind of a screen, intelligence couldnt have caught him . Is this just what life is going to be like . I think to a great extent it is. This concerns me very greatly. I had met with the chief counseling for the Internet Companies, pointed this out. Asked for help there. Is also on the internet a stack of documents that tell you how to make a bomb that goes through a magnitometer. Suggested some people to kill. And is extraordinarily dangerous. Ive asked the Internet Companies to take that off. They will not do it unless they are mandated to do it by law. So you have a predetermined kind of propaganda effort that with a few clicks somebody can get to. Its very sophisticated. All about, if they want to come to syria and train, if not. What they should do in this country. Dickerson does that mean you have to remove the seduction of isis and janing up by going overseas and defeating isis. I think it does. I have said before were either going to fight them there or fight them here. And whether degrade and destroy is enough, i think the jury is out. We have been counting on our sunni arab neighbors to help. And candidly theres been some help. But clearly not enough. So, i think this is a constant battle and will be a constant battle and we have to understand that there are lots of people out there who are going to succumb to the propaganda and three to do these kind of things. Dickerson overseas now. Lets switch to the deal with the Iranian Nuclear program. Do you think democrats will support the president on this . Again i think the jury is out. I certainly hope so. I believe its our one opportunity. I believe you cant ignore the fact that you have russia china, the United Kingdom france and germany all aligned. It is very likely that monday if they go to nid nations they will get approval to proceed. It is very likely that regardless of what we do these nations will drop their sanctions at some point. Now, i listen carefully what what Prime Minister much israel said. I think its pretty clear to everybody that america has israels back. We give huge amounts of money 25 billion. We give security help. Help with the other sophisticated programs. Precision weapons if israel were to be attacked this would be major war on our part. Here is the point. The point is that you have a moderate elected government that wants to make a change. Well see if this is enough to induce that change. Dickerson thank you. Well be right back in a moment with the donald trump controversy. Seven out of ten Power Outages in the us are caused by weather. 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They feel that donald trump owes john mccape an apology. It demonstrates character. It demonstrates judgment. Up to this point that exchange was because i was asking him questions about the words that he was using. And whether they were proper. For a president ial candidate. But that exchange suggested that he really doesnt appreciate the significance of being a pow and what that means in american society. Dickerson frank, when he was done when you were done with your interview he got a standing ovation, so id like you to separate for us the difference between the way voters and Republican Base may think about him and the press. Why did he get a standing ovation . First of a all ten president ial candidates got standing ovation. Second that only about 06 that have room stood for him. Standing ovations for mike huckabee. They were far more enthusiastic than one for donald trump. Yes, hes being accurate. Thats not actually what happened. Second is that he does speak straight. He says it the way it is. American people are desperate. Beyond someone who is honest and accountable, number two attribute that the American People are looking for i do apologize, my voice is gone from four hours of questioning these people. The number two attribute someone who says what they mean and mean what they say. Trump does do that. His language is very powerful. But you still have to ask the question, is this the kind of civilitys this the kind of decency dickerson all right, frank. That builds a goody electoral process. Dickerson sorry to be uncivil interrupt you. Thanks so much. Stay with us. That whether times are good or bad, people and their ideas will continue to move the world forward. As long as they have someone to believe in them. Citi financed the transatlantic cable that connected continents. And the panama canal, that made our world a smaller place. We backed the Marshall Plan that helped europe regain its strength. And pioneered the atm, for cash, anytime. 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Ruth marcus is columnist for the Washington Post and robert costa is National Political reporter for the Washington Post. Welcome to all of you well start with you now reaction to donald trump lets take a listen. Donald trump owes every American Veteran and in particular john mccain an apology. Donald trump he didnt apologize toat senor mccain all the other men and women who wore the uniform thats just a disgrace. The good people of iowa the good people of New Hampshire and the good people of South Carolina are going to figure this out. And here is what i think theyre going to say. Donald trump youre fired. [ applause ] dickerson well, gentleman women that was republican candidatess this it for him . Not necessarily. There are three audiences for donald trump does and says. There are the republicans who are interested perhaps in getting the people donald trump appears to john mccains called the craze hes. He says hes my friend. There are the craze hes as theyre called really what they are the are angry that people arent shouting. They like that donald trump shouts. The other audience are democrats and Hillary Clinton gets to make hair jokes about him. Because that have, donald thrum isnt interested in going anywhere. He cant be shamed out of any of this clearly. I think the action is, into the next debate at least. Dickerson republicans were slow to criticize trump when they talked about mexicans. They were doing it in the same tweet cyclef thats a phrase. He touched a third rail when he came to john mccain as a military hero. That is something that to this point at least universal point of agreement for republicans democrats and what have you. So, yeah, you can theres going to be this static around the mexican comment. Then this. Which i think gives you sense of i think Hillary Clinton has been very adept in exploiting that. Dickerson youve spent some time with trump lot of time Republican Voters out there. Give us a sense of what the real electorate is there for him that hes keying into whether theres another candidate that electorate would go to . When i was at the arizona rally you got the sense these are people are who are i political. Not conservative in the sense. Frustrated with the political process they want to see outsider come in just be a bull in the china shop. The most triking thing being on the plane with strum flying from phoenix to new york is that theres no karl rove, no senior political elder at his side who can speak to the candidate in moment of crisis such as this really tell him how he is. They would be fired. Hed say youre fired. Thats the problem for trump he has some ability to hold a crowd. When it comes to having aplite at apparatus he doesnt have it. But also, the reason the crazies is he doesnt have a karl rove at his side. Hes been able to separate himself from the politics, become the other of this race which is very coveted spot. I dont think this is the end. But i think may be a little bit perm thinking might be the beginning of the end. But i think what this trump episode, i hope its just episode tells us about two things. One, tells us something about the state of the Republican Party. And degree of anger and animosity and unrest, segment of the party feels. That is bad news i think for some of the more mainstream candidates. Also is another one of these things in front of the more, lets call them credible candidates. How they respond to trump, not just this one which was really a no brainer in how to respond to his outrageous comments about john mccain. But in terms of the lag that they have had in responding to previous comments about mexican rapist,s where president obama was born. Yesterday we didnt pay attention, what he said about mccain he was so outrageous he was asked whether he thought the president loved america, he said he didnt know. The reason for that lag. This is a leaderless majority. The chairman tried to ask trump to tone it down. He ignored him. Who could speak up right now really contest trim snap the party that has ha r a crowded field. The people who can speak up are the people who have a sense of backbone and decency and understand as Lindsey Graham has been very outspoken on donald trump. What crosses the line. Also in the long term best for them, maybe these voters but what is best for the party. Dickerson you talked to ted cruz who is not speaking out. What did you make of him is he being blotted out by the trump a going up to meet with donald trump who that morning said, i dont know why im meeting with ted cruz. He said, media forcing us to denounce this man hes my friend. He poses for a picture thats fine. Few days other question i asked ted cruzs donald trump even a conservative . This is a good question from someone dickerson what does he believe about the policy. He said, well see. Real estate after this said basically the same thing. You got points for consistency. Someone in the race who is not willing to write him off yet. 15 people competing, why would you write off any segment of the population who might show up. Also the logical extension of a political system that has come to revere celebrities, a culture that comes to revere. On any merit whatsoever. Theres no standard. Also money a political system which money can be are you suggesting kardashian is going to throw her hat into the democratic race . Why do you think thats impossible . Anything is possible these days. Speaking of political celebrity you have this cover story on Hillary Clinton. You said that she was done with being careful. She said that last year when she was promoting her book. And she said she found it frustrating. We havent seen it to this point in this campaign cycle. There is this weird fetish we have in the political system around trump or chris christie, the celebration of the im going to tell it like it is. I am the truth teller in this race. I think a lot of people can see right through that. A lot of people cant. But Hillary Clinton i think for those who have seen her privately and publicly even journalists have seen her less plugged in setting, will tell you that there is much different version of the Hillary Clinton but not seeing that on we are not seeing that version on the campaign trail. You watch her cnn interview which is the only National Television interview she looked like she was sitting in the dentist chair. This is not a candidate who is running as jeb bush said joyfully. Shes running carefully. Dickerson do people care about that . Its interesting when you look at the two ex treatments. Donald trump who is appealing to people who inspired to be billionaires and Bernie Sanders for people who hail billionaires. They are opposite ends. Somewhere in the middle person who is going to be dominated. Look at wall street folks who support Hillary Clinton. This is the sweet spot. The serious candidates. Dickerson another person on that spectrum of wealth you have donald trump talking how rich he is then scott walker this week, announced for president , he cant go through without talking about the coupons he clips. Hes on the winnebagos and discount shirt. What is scott walkers story . When you talk to his advisors their sense eventually trump is going to implode the party is going to look to someone who has a blue collar appeal, a little bit of populous edge, they think hes conservative person, hes won three elections in ways wisconsin. They are nervous about the field. As much as he may be every man candidate that may not be enough. Trying to think how can he become exciting. Get more out of his just his comment denounced trump, he used the word denounced with less force. This was scott walkers week, right . You were there i think. At his launch. And were not talking about scott walker were talking about donald trump. Based on with whoed donald trump more or less . People get of what they think candidates character s. My argument would be, that that is how they respond to the dickerson but wasnt there an opportunity for like jeb bush to really promote his brand which is the im not donald trump. Put out a little video talking about the tone. But an opportunity for jeb bush to make a bigger noise . Ternly an opportunity. How bush responded tells us a lot. Reluctant to engage with trump because you enter a boxing ring with trump you could come out bloody. I think what his own candidacy not someone out there fighting. He hopes eventually the party comes back with a little more even temper. Dickerson your point is that are these summer that go away. One other thing that happened this week, i think we should talk about which is really bizarre encounter that Bernie Sanders and Martin Omalley had the two other Democratic Candidates net roots nation, where you have segment of Republican Party that seems to be semi large supporting trump. But then you had on the other side also folks who are not going to get the nomination. Being shouted down while they were denouncing billionaires, calling for dash by the black rights matter folks. That was the sort of outburst of unreasonableness on the left side of the party. And i think dickerson explain the nature of their complaint. This sat base of the democratic party. And they are saying things that the base should be cheering. But there is a group that is shouting them down during their speech because they are not talking only about black lives matter and seems to me watching this week, both parties had secret meetings where they got together said, how can we most alienate voters. They did a good job. Dickerson thanks to all of you well be right back with analysis on iran deal, stay with us. Dickerson were back to talk about iran deal. Welcome cbs Foreign Affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan back to the u. S. After weeks and week was being in vienna with secretary carrie. Joined by Washington Wash boast columnist David Ignatious and Jeffrey Goldberg of the atlantic. Lot to grab on to this deal. What for you stands out in this agreement . Listening to secretary carrie and Prime Minister netanyahu might take away is that the details of this deal are pretty solid. That its been carefully negotiated. That it will hold up for ten years or more. But the Prime Minister netanyahu is right. Iran is a dangerous destabilizing force in the middle east. Somehow good policy seems to me to use the deal to cap the Nuclear Threat that iran would pose for ten years. But work on that other problem. I wish i heard more how to change iranian behavior that is still threatening. Dickerson what do you think is biggest selling point of the deal. Best selling point . The best selling point that its a way if the iranians actually dont cheat, its a way to keep them from Building Nuclear bomb for half generation or more. The worst part to build on what david is saying is that, the issue is what theyre going to do with their windfall. That is the question that we havent seen answered yet. They could take that money theyre going to get 150 billion out of this. The first sort of iteration they could create havoc or more havoc in the middle east, the question Going Forward is, to this story is not ending the question Going Forwards how are we going to contain them conventionally. Weve capped them on nuclear standpoint. That is one of the biggest complaints of the arab allies who havent been as publicly critical as Prime Minister netanyahu has. But privately really worried this is going to fund other proxy wars. The top negotiator will say no, were going to spend this on reconstruction and infrastructure and the like. Right. But arab allies say wait a second, one place we look, syria, where iran has extreme influence were seeing extreme reluctance to counter that. Really sort of waiting to see if the administration backs up. This is what Obama Administration would say that these guys have been pretty good at using their limited terrorism dollars over the past ten or 15 years to create havoc. Some more money in that pot is not going to stashly change the reality of syria. Lebanon and so on. Dickerson why not have the opposite response, theyre going to be that much more efficient with x plus dickerson what can the u. S. Do to secretary kerry going to up its game in cordening off iran. What can they really do . The u. S. Needs to do two things simultaneously. First, it tools need to work with our sunniarab allies. Able to push back against iranian expansion. The sunnis say the iranians are controlling the capitals. So pushing back, resisting that is important. U. S. Has to help them. Thats what the camp david summit was about. Sat the aim time secretary kerry and president believes strongly may ab door open to broader diplomatic dialogue in part because of this new pressure from the sunni side that would lead the iranians to negotiations about sear california is really on the ropes now. Secretary kerry hopes that the russians will encourage a process where theres negotiations for a transition. That sounds great so long as you keep the pressure on. Dickerson secretary kerrys next job he has two things, sell congress, 60 days to pick this deal apart then also as david points out lot of work to to be done overseas. There is. Going to be head can to speak to some of the heads of the gulf to try to sell them. The promises that were mapped at camp david. That you just mentioned. But syria is the big test case for this. Because it is the place where you are seeing iran in power. You have seen Obama Administration very restrained, very concern ld about what directly confronting iran there could mean. So it goes to be interesting to see what the arab gulf states do if they actually follow through in confrontation there. Two quick points, president obama sees isis as the threat, not iran. I think that is fair. Not to say that he discounts iran entirely but isis is the flame thrower. Iran says now that weve done this we can join together. Which is dubious proposition. Most effective fighting force on the ground. The proposition is happening. Right. Just make friends with dangerous thing here. But second point that theres extremely long game here president obama wont talk about. But he does seem to believe that iran could be at a tipping point. The population is proamerican, 30 years of living under the ayatollah will do that to you. That may be this will set in motion a Virtuous Cycle which we see iran rejoin the community of nations. He doesnt have a lot of faith in saudi arabia and the gulf states as true civilizations. Weve seen that. In some of his statements owe lip particularly. He does believe that something being set in motion. You made reference apt the beginning to the irannians dancing in the streets after the deal. I just would note that the people dancing in the streets are not the hardliners. They are the iranians who have been dreaming of joining the world, over the long run thats the thing thats working most to our advantage. They want to be part of the world that we live in and their political force. The sanctions were going but need to be part of the world. It appeals to n syria. But symbolic importance to what youre saying that i think sometimes we miss as americans. That the proximity of recent history to the iranian public, theyre looking back at all these years of mistrust, they can read you long list of where america has done them wrong. To be making some sort of reproach, then being told come back out of the cold into the community. It has some significance to the public. Certainly. Dickerson what do you make of secretary kerrys analogy like the soviet union where the United States would have arms deals with the soviet union and ran r Ronald Reagan calling them evil empire, you can work two tracks here. I think it does. We forget gist how menacing the soviet union was at the time of the arms control deals. How menacing china was. China was talking about general nuclear war at the time that Henry Kissinger and president nixon engaged them. The idea that you engage your adversaries that you can have history tells us that that is real. I think its analogy to draw. I wish he didnt say the alternative to this deal is war. Because we know from history russia and china that isnt the alternative. Its the kind of cold stalemate bitter confrontation. Its not necessarily. Although to be fair at this point within the framework reality that the Obama Administration and allies have created for themselves, if congress were to subvert this over right a veto, lets take. The chances are very slim that iran and negotiating partners will go back to the table say well Congress Wants us to do x y and z. So, we would be slipping toward a kind of confrontation which of course is what most of americas allies and region, israel and arabs dont say this as such but they kind of hope that we would go back into more confrontational mode. Dickerson margaret, i want to ask you a question about the drama of this. So many days of negotiations. Nose to nose, there was yelling that could be heard through the doors, give us a sense of the drama of this moment. I mean it was a roller composter in many ways, youre reading body language. Youre reading into whether people are moving hotel rooms what that could mean. There were shouting matches. Amend you heard one between the eeus Foreign Policy chief and irans top negotiator. Which he publicly spoke to later on. And this showed up in the Iranian Press the idea, dont threaten an iranian. This is when things got really heated about the week before the deal was struck. She said we can call this thing off. We can walk away, this isnt going to happen. Thats when he said dont threaten me m. Quickly became, all over twitter. She went luckily said, you put italian and iranian in the same room this isnt going to stay cold. You had kerry get into some spars over the past two years for iranians, particularly arif the u. S. Backed iraq and Saddam Hussein and war against iran said, i can bring up up on war crimes. Dont talk to me about destabilizing. There is a lot of nerves and tensions, it is amazing regardless of what you think what ended up in the deal, they got to it at all got seven capitals to agree to this diplomatic agreement. Is pretty substantial. Dickerson 40 seconds or so left, sorry to do this to you give us sense how this fits in the obama legacy, the sense of his world. From the day barak obama became president literally inauguration address hes been working towards this moment which engage americas adversaries of mutual interest and respect. He can say now that hes done that, that hes got pretty solid deal. More people than expected. The question in the remaining year and half i think is can he be Strong Enough as president to also project power because in this part of the world that so unstable that american prepares is going to be even more important after the deal. Dickerson he told you in 20 years hell still be around have to live with this deal. Hes very aware that his legacy is riding on this. 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